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Low Effort MemesHouse Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.) on Sunday said Democrats will not focus on impeaching President Trump if they regain a majority in the lower chamber after midterm elections.
“I’ve made clear from the very beginning that our top priority is going to be to drive down the high cost of living,” the House minority leader added.
The House minority leader has lauded Democrats’ push for redistricting nationwide in an effort to pick up additional House seats and signaled that the party will advocate more for working-class Americans, after Democrats saw losses from the key demographic in the 2024 election.
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PS this is low effort memes, I'm not going to defend the meme in the comments - feel free to argue with yourselves
Edit: I'm not american so you're extra wasting your time arguing 🤷♀️
It's hilarious that the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries thinks they'll still be allowed on the stage after the Midterms. The first thing I expect the Dems to do after the Midterms is replace those two cowardly losers with people with the courage to fight MAGA on EVERYTHING!
And then it's two years of relentless bullying, and impeachment is definitely a good part of the strategy, even if the Senate won't vote to convict. We need to attack them aggressively on every front, especially anything that embarrasses and humiliates Trump. Impeach him over and over, every time he commits another crime. And frankly, we may get to a point where even MAGA realizes that maybe they'd be better off without him, and vote to impeach.
Then we can also go after everybody else, too, impeach one after another, just to put it on the historical record that we went after ALL the Traitors.
That will waste their time, make them scream and cry, and distract them, and keep them off balance. Drag them through investigations and hearings over and over, make them spend 3 days a week testifying in front of some committee or another, explaining themselves, and spending time in jail for contempt whenever possible. It will mean that we are closely watching and investigating them every second, making it much more difficult to pull off whatever insane strategies election fraud they'll try to pull for 2028.
MAGAs and Anti-vaxxers are the only groups for whom it is appropriate to BULLY, so do it relentlessly.
Vote establishment out, they carry considerable blame for our current predicament. "Proud Zionist" Biden literally said last election "nothing will fundamentally change from Trump", that's who they are.
Jeffries, I hate it break it to you but if you think you're going to pass anything while The Orange Menace is in the White House, I'd love to sell you my share of the Brooklyn Bridge.
You might as well keep trying to impeach Trump. In fact, we'd think you have balls if after each defeat in the Senate, you drum up another impeachment vote.
And I'd like to remind you that Republicans passed the repeal of Obamacare repeatedly in the last two years of Obama's presidency.
They probably won't do shit about cost of living either. The only time it's gone down in the past 20 years was in 2009 after the housing market crashed. That likely had more to do with the recession; and if anything the Democrats' actions were a hindrance to that reduction.
You americans are going to have a rough time now that you have burnt all your soft power and goodwill. Sure you have other problems too, but I don't think any political party can just "turn the 'cost of living' knob up".
I think it’s fine to expect your party to be capable of doing things that aren’t accomplished by turning a single imaginary knob. Imagine applying this to any other situation: “sorry, there’s no ‘do the dishes’ switch so I’m gonna have to tell you to lower your expectations.”
takes notes ... needs to be ... a recession ...
Prices basically never go down, what you need is stability so that the earned income can rise to match the new prices.
On the flip side, there isn't a whole lot the president can do to reduce inflation, but there sure as fuck is a lot they can do to make it worse.
Nah we’re not doing this “genocide Joe” bullshit again.
Ok, when is the right time to advocate for positive change as ordained by The Holiness Blarth?
Whooo boy I kicked the fucking tankie hornet’s nest.
This post is attempting to create a litmus test that no presidential candidate from the left is going to get to the general election adhering to. This is typical Russian/Chinese propaganda, the same type of which was used to turn voters apathetic against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, which undoubtedly resulted in many, many people leaning left to abstain from voting.
We’re not doing that again.
So when is the right time to advocate for positive change as ordained by The Holiness Blarth?
Your type cost us the last election. Go be a republican.
But we really are going to keep doing this, so long as the Democratic party refuses to run actual progressives.
"Don't fucking bomb foreigners" isn't a weird thing to be unwilling to compromise on.
I agree and don’t want to support a party that is okay with continuing to meddle in the Middle East.
However, creating a litmus test for liberal voters that results in MAGA candidates being elected who support even worse policy is not the way forward.
However, creating a litmus test for liberal voters
Its not the fucking litmus test that lost them the election, it was the fucking candidates unwillingness to fucking meet the moment when the voters were incredibly clear about what their standards were.
You don't get to decide what other voters standards are. You can only assess what they are and the advocate for candidates to meet those standards, otherwise, the candidates will lose. Its not more complicated then that.
You want Harris to have won? Then you should have been putting every iota of effort into getting her to change her policies on Israel and Gaza. There was no other path for her to take the white house.
Well, by all means, let’s encourage young voters to abstain and allow the worst shit to happen, right?
All or nothing.
Or, you know, you could just have fucking listened to what the voters were telling you.
Anyone to the left of indiscriminate genocide is a tankie. You heard it here folks. Ratchet effect go buuuuurrrr!
Left of Reagan is a Tankie.
Wanting to not commit genocide? Tankie.
Saying a candidate needs to support popular policies in a popularity election? Tankie.
Someone found a dollar on the ground before you? Tankie.
During the primaries we can and should try to make our voice heard to get the most perfect candidates possible on the ballot. During election we do what we must to prevent sliding further into authoritarianism.
"Genocide Joe" was bullshit? Are you denying the genocide or what his first name is?
What’s easy to deny is that the alternative would be any better, and was, in fact, much worse. At least there were calls within Joe Biden’s party to put a stop to it and headway was being made.
MAGA doesn’t give a fuck about Palestine and feels nothing when brown people die.
At least there were calls within Joe Biden’s party to put a stop to it and headway was being made.
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies.
MAGA doesn’t give a fuck about Palestine and feels nothing when brown people die.
Objectively better than you getting angry at anyone who refuses to vote for their butcher
Yeah his name is Benjamin
Literal nazi apologism
yup look at that user history. LOVES using the genocide cynically for their own selfish political goals, HATES anyone who talks about the genocide as it actually happened. Not good enough to murder children, with their blood fresh on your hands you have to pick them up by the dismembered shoulders and dance them around like marionette dolls begging to support their murderers to save their lives.
It's hard to imagine Gobbles being capable of anything as disgusting
And these are the 'good guys' in America. Death to America.
You're literally only helping the Republicans with garbage like this. Bye.
Notice how these posts suspiciously are more prevalent now during primary time and will ramp up during general election time again.
Funny because we post this type of stuff all year every year.
Yep, I actually congratulated them after Trump got elected and they upvoted me.
Stop supporting and enabling genocidal cunts, then. Otherwise leftists such as myself will continue to endlessly effort post and create a scene.
You need to accept that the shitlib/radical centrist coalition is insufficient to get Democrats to win elections, as clearly demonstrated by Biden/Harris completely failing. You need to push the Democrats to the left. You need to have a candidate actually worth voting for, someone who actually excites the electorate to go out and vote to improve their lives, not just the "technically better than Trump" candidate. That doesn't win elections, no matter how much you rant and rave and shame people.
Deal with this reality, or accept endless Republican victories.
Stop supporting and enabling genocidal cunts or I’ll do my best to kneecap the only viable opposition and empower MAGA and Trump!
If I can't tell the difference then I'm not engaging. Good luck.
I love it, the left are both a large voting block for the Democrats but negligible enough to not be considered serious for legislation. Like with all fascists, you can't reason with a neo-lib.
both a large voting block for the Democrats but negligible enough to not be considered serious
Schrodingers leftist.
Democrats need to pursue the left flank of the countries like they pursue triple Trumper votes.
The Democrats empowered MAGA and Trump by running a completely non-viable candidate. Stop blaming voters for the failure of the Democratic party. This is all on them, 100%.
That non viable candidate almost won and the world would be a better place if she did.
I’d say this was less on the voters and more on the non voters.
almost won? She lost every single swing state. It was a slaughter and not even close.
In the history of the USA Harris got the third most votes ever.
It goes:
Biden with 81,283,501 Trump (2024) with 77,302,580 Harris with 75,017,613 Trump (2020) with 74,223,975
This is the most sane comment I've seen from you since I joined Lemmy.
non viable candidate almost won
He almost gets it, like Kamala almost won.
yeah what gives? did we slip into a mandala universe again? (we spell it mandala here)
That non viable candidate almost won and the world would be a better place if she did.
But she chose a losing policy and lost. The entire left was telling you she was going to lose. But the left isn't netanyahu, so centrists didn't listen.
What "losing policy" did she pick?
Genocide, obviously. Unlimited, unreserved pro-zionist support for Israel. Neoliberalism. Take your pick, really.
Genocide.
People didn't vote because they felt like Harris was not worth voting for. She lost because she didn't actually offer anyone what they wanted, she was just a harm reduction candidate at best. That isn't sufficiently motivating to get people out to vote, no matter how much we rant and yell and shame people.
Please, I am begging you, accept this reality. I want Trump and the Republicans gone probably even more than you do. I am trying to help you understand that we lost for a very good reason and we need to learn from it.
Oh yes, why reduce harm when we can not vote and get the option that will just endlessly stab with the wheel of staby knives.
People not voting are possibly more stupid than MAGA. At least MAGA morons have SOME sort of care, even if its motivated entirely by hate.
harm reduction is a specific thing. voting is not harm reduction.
I've voted in every election I was ever eligible to vote in. I am simply explaining why the Democrats lost. You can hate the people who didn't vote if you want, I understand that frustration, but there is a very good reason they didn't vote - because they didn't perceive the Democratic candidate to be someone worth voting for.
Advance a candidate with popular policies who isn't a genocidal piece of shit and watch in amazement as political engagement ramps up.
maga has candidates that they're excited to vote for.
democrats do not.
Second worst is not good enough to win. Appealing to the voters is not beneath you.
I think she would have did a good job personally.
No war in Iran and no brownshirts shooting Americans in the streets.
She ran on a more lethal military and that Iran was our greatest enemy...
What you think, and whether she would have done a good job, is completely irrelevant. Do you not understand my point? You win elections by having a candidate that people want to vote for, usually by advancing policies which are popular.
The genocide in Gaza is now like a 90/10 issue. It is known that it was a factor in why Kamala lost the election. If she had opposed the genocide, it is very possible that she would have won.
I am not shitting on Democrats just for fun. I am trying to explain that Trump won because the Democrats advanced a shit, genocidal candidate.
If you let them do the same thing again in 2028, we very well may see a Republican President even worse than Trump.
Please, demand more than the bare minimum.
Funny how not setting your hand on a burning stove won't result in third degree burns isn't a good enough reason to not set your hand on a burning stove. You ever heard the phrase "don't let better be the enemy of perfect"?
No shit Harris sucked, but she sucked a whole lot less than Trump and moving incrementally left from Harris would have been a HELL OF A LOT easier than moving left from Trump. I do absolutely blame the idiots who sat around and said "well, Harris doesn't inspire me, so I'll sit here and let the fascist collapse happen. That'll show everyone how morally superior I am!"
The people who didn't vote, I think, are worse than Trumo supporters because at least Trump supporters made moves to do what they thought was best while you sat around and twiddled your thumbs and let the world burn around you instead of doing the bare fucking minimum available to you to stop it, or at least slow it down to make it easier to change it in the near future
The people who didn’t vote, I think, are worse than Trump supporters...
Yeah, being mad at trump supporters voting for trump is like being mad at your dog for eating its own shit. It's a dumb animal that eats shit and garbage, what were you expecting? I'm more mad that they have, not just equal, but over representation in this political system. We need a system where ideally, the stupid dogs have no representation, or at a minimum, equal representation to actual thinking human beings.
No excuses for the 3rd party/non-voters in 2024. Life is full of shitty compromises made worse by inaction. I'm amazed they've made it this far in life without noticing that, but it's time to adult the fuck up.
Primaries for Congress are going on right now, and each one of those whiny lazy chucklefucks that got us into the mess ought to be out there stumping for their ideal candidate every waking hour of every day until November.
Take a look in the mirror. That's what a fascist enabler looks like.
I have explained this, again, and again, and again: I am just explaining why and how the democrats lost. I have voted in every election I have ever been eligible to vote in, ALWAYS for the candidate which minimizes harm.
Please stop being so reactionary and try to understand what I am writing. Jumping to conclusions and getting angry at me for explaining why OTHER PEOPLE didn't vote doesn't make me a fascist enabler.
Wow, "stop blaming voters".
America, do you even understand how a democracy is supposed to work? Hint: it's not fire & forget every N years.
Good luck you all, you need it.
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It certainly seems like you have a winning message by being condescending
Well sorry if it comes off like that but I sometimes feel I'm trying to instruct in a kindergarten. Do americans not study history of democracy, or of war? It's like they do all the rookie mistakes.
Good luck to them all.
I promise you everyone on the left understands US civics. Liberals can't help but condescend and derail into metaphor because the arguments for their policy fucking suck.
They quit teaching civics in school in the US 30 years ago. So, no, the kids you're arguing with do not understand how a democracy is supposed to work. Yet another Republican success story.
they did? shit someone tell our local districts.
That explains a fair bit... Thanks! And good luck.
Wow, “stop blaming voters”.
Ok. Keep blaming voters. Scream at them until the end of time. It won't change the electorate you have in front of you. You can appeal to the voters or lose. I know, it's beneath you to treat the hostages like they're people instead of vending machines that dispense votes when you kick them hard enough.
vending machines that dispense votes when you kick them hard enough.
Liberals have a real problem reckoning with the fact that Kamala Harris lost because she was an unelectable piece of genocidal trash who deserves to be put on trial for crimes against humanity alongside Biden for their unlimited support to the genocidal regime of Israel, who advanced precisely zero popular policies, and ran entirely on a platform of "We're like the Republican Party, but slightly less worse".
Liberals feel like their candidate was good, but only lost because voters are lazy, apathetic, stupid, etc. If the candidate was good, voters would overcome these obstacles and vote. I'm just explaining fundamental reality to people who do not want to come to terms with the fact that their political project, neoliberalism, is dead and gone.
Gald we have great morals and not voted for lesser genocide and allowed unbridled genocide to occur.
If you want better candidates you need to find them long before election day. On election day it is too late to find your perfect candidate. And yeah, its no secret democrats are right wing... not really sure what you expected.
Leftists, including me, yelled as loudly and repeatedly as possible that Biden/Harris would lose the election, long before the election was held. We were ignored, and now, we're being blamed for the loss that is 100% the fault of the centrist/right wing of the Democratic party.
What do you think I'm doing now, literally YEARS out from the election? I am trying to help people understand WHY the Democrats lost, so that we can avoid a candidate who will lose in the same way.
I'm trying to push the Democrats back towards the left wing because that is the best hope we have of curbing the rise of fascism.
If you're an American then it is up to you to find a good candidate. It's not going to work if you wait for someone to spoon feed you the "right"(enough) candidate.
I regularly encourage people to get engaged in the democratic process, especially primaries, as well as participating in workplace organizing and activist efforts. Please enjoy one of my many homemade copypastas:
Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.
- Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
- Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
- Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
- Don't punch down.
- Don't punch left.
- Educate yourself, politically.
- Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system.
This is just.. Its such a hilariously insane sentiment to express. I'm like, genuinely glad that shitlibs can't help themselves and are willing to just live with their whole ass hanging out. Just, honestly, thank you. Thank you for always saying the quiet parts out loud. You make it so much easier to identify and understand why and how liberalism ends up at fascism.
And what you are doing is important, even if its naively so. We need this kind of thinking documented, if only to study in an effort to make sure no one ever repeats it.
No it's projection which is why it's hilarious. Cumfart spent his 2024 kneecapping any opposition to Biden and the status quo, leaving us with the only possible option which could lose to fascism.
Don't let them fool you, Cumfart is a fascist. They would just prefer it be their preferred fascists at the helm.
I voted for Harris not the fascists.
Don't you love the neo-liberal bullshit of critical analysis of a candidate by a leftist means you didn't vote for them? Geeze, with them pushing away leftists, I wonder how the party will do now.
I don't think you know what neoliberal means and when did I tell dingdong they didn't vote?
I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth so you can give yourself a reason to be mad.
Your vote is irrelevant when you did all the work to ensure fascists get get elected.
Harris was fascist lite. Both candidates were fascists. Dont lie, you did vote for fascists, and you got what you voted for.
That's just not true and comments like this are doing the right-wing propaganda machine's job for it by normalizing what's currently happening.
Don't be like that.
Harris chose a losing policy. She lost.
Not that any centrist has read this far, but I voted for her. I fully expect abuse from people who made the assumption that I didn't as soon as I said she chose a losing policy.
Hell nah, I’m not doing this tonight.
Perfection is the enemy of progress or something.
You got the genocide you consider perfection.
Your reading comprehension is lacking if that's your take from that comment
If you think electing a genocidal democrat is progress, as far as I'm concerned, you are as much an enemy of mine as a MAGA supporter is.
I am not asking for perfection. The bar is literally underground. We are talking about fucking genocide, here, not microaggressions.
This shit is literally how Trump got into power. You need to blame the Democrats for this. It was an entirely unforced defeat, all because Biden/Harris needed to dickride Israel directly into hell.
Fuck. That.
They keep proving the joke of "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".
The thing is, in their hearts, they know what the problem is. They need to give ground to the left. They're just throwing a tantrum and refusing to accept it because in the past they've been able to win with a coalition of centrists, moderates and liberals. Those days are now gone, and this coalition, which has been looking down and sneering at the left for decades, really doesn't want to have to capitulate to our demands. But if they don't, they'll just cause republican fascists to come to power. For many right wing democrats, fascism is preferable to socialism.
There is a very good reason the DNC hasn't released the election post-mortem report, because it probably confirms something close to what I just described - though, probably watered down slightly. The leaks we do have confirm that the Democrats lost votes because of their pro-Genocidal stance.
And they won't ever put their hands up and admit their approach is what caused defeat because they would require some self awareness, self analysis and then admitting that the 'left' not holding their noses and voting for their piss soaked candidate wasn't the cause of the defeat.
I'm not in the US but only recently learnt that since ww2, no democrat has been elected with a majority of white voters. Carter came closest with 48%. Running a candidate who supported cop cities with her entire chest isn't going to endear your core voter base.
PS this is low effort memes, I'm not going to defend the meme in the comments - feel free to argue with yourselves
Edit: I'm not american so you're extra wasting your time arguing 🤷♀️
farts loudly
“Yeah I farted on purpose and yeah it stinks. I don’t care if you don’t like it, and I’m not listening to your complaints.”
“EDIT: Seriously, I don’t care. Just came back to make that clear. The part about me not caring. You better not think I care.”
I don't think you understand how little these vegan Canadian anarchists living on indigenous soil don't care. Certainly they haven't constructed their entire personality around championing causes that they can use to stir up drama at the drop of a hat. They are just trying to live their lives in peace and uncaring bliss. To even suggest otherwise makes you sound like a milk drinker, and they hate milk drinkers.
Lot of dummies down here in the comments
Not like us geniuses
Sure, but first we need to drive Jeffries and Schumer out of the House/Senate.
You can really see it ramp up in real time. The pro-china, pro-russia shit, the "both sides" shit, the "Dems don't do anything" shit. It's all bad actors making false equivalency arguments. Motherfuckers act like trump take 3 is gonna be better. Fuck off. Vote blue. Period. Call me out if you want, but if you vote red, if you vote third party, you are part of the problem. The system isn't set up for a third party, so if you do that, you only help the party that wouldn't have gotten your vote otherwise. Wish it wasn't that way, but it is, so you gotta go what you gotta do and vote blue, no matter how much you want to be a tankie slut.
"Man our country is really going to shit, better keep doing the same thing and hope it'll be different this time."
Yes, in the immediate near term vote blue "no matter who but if you think toothless dems are going to save us you're only going to be did disappointed.
You refuse to learn from Mamdani's example lmfao. You literally saw how a progressive candidate was boycotted by his own party (Cuomo running as independent) and still smashed the elections, but you'll claim that the only "electable" candidates are "most lethal army in the world" Harris lmfao.
I'm not sure what you are saying with this. Mamdani ran as a Democrat. Cuomo switched and ran independant when Mamdani beat him in the primary. So, a Democrat won, instead of a third party. Which is exactly what I said in my post. Am I misreading what you've said?
I’m not sure what you are saying with this. Mamdani ran as a Democrat. Cuomo switched and ran independant when Mamdani beat him in the primary. So, a Democrat won, instead of a third party.
And the "no matter who" wing of the party showed that they're massive hypocrites and tried to sink Mamdani after he won the nomination.
I'm gonna need some citations on this one.
I'm sure you don't consider Gillibrand's disgusting Islamophobic rant about him to be an example. "No matter who" is only for the left. As soon as the spoiled centrist wing doesn't get 100% of everything they want, which in this case was the sex pest they wanted running New York City into the ground for them, they revert back to "party unity my ass."
Yeah, Gillibrand was genuinely awful and that was real Islamophobia. That's a legitimate criticism. But Mamdani still won as a Democrat, and that is exactly what I was arguing for. The answer to Gillibrand isn't third parties, it's primarying cunts like Gillibrand. Do you think someone on the right is going to treat Muslim Americans better? Because that's the actual alternative when you don't vote blue.
Isn't that what we're talking about here? It ain't November. Primaries are currently happening. Yet you and your cohorts are mad at people for not supporting establishment Jefferies in this thread.
You got the source you asked for. Those goalposts can stay put.
Stop trying to convince me to vote blue. I already do. I voted for harris in the last election.
Democrats will lose if they force another genocidal corpodem on us. This is an honest assessment of the electorate you have. You will interpret it as purity testing.
My point is running progressive candidates wins elections, and Democrats would rather have a Republican win than Mamdani as seen by them boycotting mamdani through Cuomo running as independent. The Democrats lost against trump because they'd rather run unelectable candidates and lose than an actually electable progressive and be forced to pass progressive policy
Progressive ran in Minnesota and lost for mayor of Minneapolis.
This whole "progressivism is the silver bullet" is horseshit. This is coming from someone who would like more mamdani candidates but youre a complete fool if you think people like him would win everywhere or win a presidential election by default.
This is spot on. It's why they shit on Bernie despite him being way more popular than Hillary. If dems would've let Bernie run I think we avoid a trump presidency altogether.
The biggest class in America is the working class.
The people that were against him are establishment asshats who want to keep the status quo. They didn't want a progressive challenge in the NYC mayoral race. They wanted Cuomo because Cuomo is easy. They aren't representative of the "Blue No Matter Who" voter strategy. People like Schumer, Jeffries, and Jacobs aren't progressive democrats, they are "just let us keep doing what we are doing" democrats.
That being said, I'd take Schumer over Thune any day, and that's a 1:1. You can't say that voting another Thune into power is a better alternative to Schumer no matter how much you dislike him. The "Blue No Matter Who" theory still lines up with reality, especially when you can see the alternative already in power.
Keep putting excuses, you'll keep losing elections with your wonderful strategy of using Trump as a cudgel to discipline voters concerned with actual policy, worked wonders with Hillary and Harris. Change nothing, what a wonderful political strategy!
They aren’t representative of the “Blue No Matter Who” voter strategy.
They are representative of the sort of person who says "vote blue no matter who."
That being said, I’d take Schumer over Thune any day,
And Thune over anyone to Schumer's left.
You do realize he ran in ...New York City, right? The Big D machine has little say when New Yorkers get their gander up.
This is not necessarily repeatable anywhere else in the US, not a major city anyway.
Wish it wasn't that way, but it is, so you gotta go what you gotta do and vote blue, no matter how much you want to be a tankie slut.
damn you sure set me straight mister, I wouldn't want to be a slut
Live your life, King.
I’m not american so you’re extra wasting your time arguing
I'm just repeating it, so everyone can see the foreign actor trying to divide the country. You know, like a cunt.
The image is about ice and the quotes are about impeachment. Nice use of right wing tactics.
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The majority of voters don’t want to abolish ICE. Just like they didn’t want to defund the police.
They want police to follow the law and be held accountable and ICE to not be used as Trump’s personal army.
This seems like an attempt to make leftists look bad by pushing a sentiment that is unpopular with voters
I don't like it, either, but it's politically the smart thing to do (EDIT: I'm referring to not seeking impeachment here - ICE still needs to go for sure). Rather than reignite the partisan wars, show the less extreme Trump supporters that the other side is actually prioritizing "the people" & their needs more than Trump ever did - it'll do more to win their support than attacking "their side" ever will.
Courting the right, like that Cheney stunt, it's never worked before but I'll bet it'll work this time boy oh boy!
I disagree. Democrats need to appeal not to reactionary right-wing or centrists, but rather people who did not vote, by using left-wing populist messaging to counter right-wing populism.
Look at the success of Mamdami as a template. That's how we win - with candidates who are actually worth voting for, with policies that actively improve the lives of the working class, rather than the totally failed tactic of appealing to some mythical moderate voter with the "we're slightly less terrible than the republicans" approach.
I don't disagree with that, and I'm not saying Trumpers should be a priority, but attacking him is only going to stir up anger without accomplishing anything truly positive at this point. Plus Trump is at least a thorn in the puppet-masters" sides with his randomness, while Vance would be a good little boy and do exactly what he's told by his handlers. I prefer Trump continue fucking up their plans a bit.
oh, I think I misunderstood, I thought you were saying that the left shouldn't abolish ICE. I agree that removing Trump from office wouldn't be worthwhile.
Ah, no - I was just referring to the impeachment. ICE - at least in anything vaguely resembling its current form - definitely needs to go.
show the less extreme Trump supporters
Doesn't exist
