Absolutely
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LadyButterfly she/her
WomensStuffSide-comment: what a surprise that the account posting the surface-level (quite possibly disingenuous) comment has what appears (to me) to be an AI-generated profile pic of a (conventionally) attractive slim blonde woman! It's almost like it's not an actual woman making the comment, and they're making the comment primarily for/towards other non-women...
More seriously, it reeks of the same tone as Musk's "concerning." tweets.
100% agreed and, indeed, people try to shame hijab wearers in my presence at intense risk of their eardrums.
Not if men made you wear it. Or men made you think you must wear it.
Same thing applied to women pressed into convents vs nuns. Or someone ordered into a long skirt vs choosing. The issue is choice, as ir always is.
Why do you think style changes over time, and has accelerated with television and advertisements? We are all being made to buy and wear something, be it to follow the advertisement "this is the must to wear of the season", or to oppose consumerism.
So if we can now agree that there is no real free choice, and every choice is to some degree influenced by patriarchy, where do we stand? Does feminism even exist? Or is feminism less about what you wear, and more about how you feel about patriarchy?
Then she isn't wearing whatever she wants.
That's the thing with religion. It's always brainwashing so how could it ever be what they want?
Very 14 year old mindset there.
Hijab/niqab are a tool of the patriarchy. They keep women subservient to men. Abrahamic religions are inherently patriarchal and misogynistic. Women don't wear them because they want to, they wear them because they feel they have to.
And invalidating a woman's feminism because she wears a hijab is a tool of the patriarchy. That is the point.
Yeah, while the short and overly sexualizing clothing women wear in the west are of course tools of feminism, as everybody knows.
And you, most likely a man, dictating what women do or don't do out of free will is what? Oh wait, it sounds not only inherently patriarchal and misogynistic, but also absolutely western centric and islamophobic.
Now all you have to do is to tell me that you want to see their beautiful hair, and their nice figure, and we have a bingo.
Well, I'm glad you're here to tell us how women feel. For a moment there I thought I might have had to listen to a woman's opinion.
Not to mention the most often have to under threat of death. If a feminist chooses to wear one it is the single most absurd garment to wear.
Not to mention the most often have to under threat of death.
Tell me, in which countries is this the case? And then tell me, which are the countries with the most muslims?
I'm sure you'll be able to process that information to come to the result by yourself, that you're spreading lies.
Lemmite militant Atheist ahh comment.
What you say is generally true, however it is not always true. Some women have successfully been deceived (possibly by themselves) that it is not about oppression.
But does she wear it because she likes it or does she believe "women have to hide their hair"
I feel like the second comment is acting deliberately obtuse, like it was a fashion choice without any further meaning behind it, even though that further meaning is obviously what the first comment is getting at.
There is a very political side to it too, whether you like it or not, at a time when women are being murdered for not wearing one.
All the women I've been friends with who've worn a hijab did it in part out of faith and in part to free themselves of the male gaze. Not the gaze of Muslim men, but of men in general. All made the choice to start wearing it on their own, as adults, and most of them eventually stopped wearing it. These were all college educated women.
I had a friend who would wear one whenever she didn't feel like doing her hair.
That wouldn't be "wearing whatever she wants" but "wearing it because she thinks she has to".
I know, there are oppressive reasons the majority of women that wear hijabs in certain places do it for. But if it's in America for example, and not because of her family you don't really know enough about her beliefs about herself to really question it either tbh. She is probably hated for wearing it when she doesn't have to.
Hold on, you can't be a real feminist, you're wearing a hat ! 😂
In real life, the thing you can't do to if you're a real feminist is (attempt to) force other women to wear, or not wear, a particular type of hat.
Oh but you see, brown women are all helpless brainwashed babies incapable of making their own decisions!
You think you're jesting, but I've seen exactly that attitude coming from feminist groups in my university days. Indeed it was exactly that attitude that killed the NAC in Canada.
The people who say things like the top person are the same people who claim that they're feminists when all they do is attack trans people.
I seem to be in the minority here, but I totally support her wearing one. In some cultures me wearing clothing covering my top half could be seen as OTT but it's really important to me that I wear it. Covering my top half when meme don't automatically have to can be seen as patriarchy, but I would feel awful without wearing tops.
These kind of posts were pretty common post 9/11 as well. People who don’t actually care about women suddenly super concerned about this issue. But ask them about the issues closest to them and they are definitely not supportive of feminism.
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