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MemesEdit: As @bdonvr@thelemmy.club points out below
It's a fox. I like the fox.
Waterfox needs to catch up with a gender-fluid fox
Iso-linear.
A nuclear bomb just hir the furry community
What if.... hear me out.... what if we remove the focus on gender altogether? What if we stop engendering things that don't have genders? Like logos... and behavioral attributes...
Since Mozilla actually didn’t and the post is based on a lie, I’ll say congratulations, your reaction is almost certainly what they were hoping for
What if the answer is JavaScript?
By the way this is NOT a new Firefox logo. It's just the fox mascot drawing that may be used in other parts of the UI like the welcome screen after a new install, or on social media.
The actual logo remains unchanged.
On top of that nowhere in the announcement are the supposed pronouns mentioned: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/meet-kit/
Actually the whole thing may be bullshit. Literally the only Mozilla reference I can find to Kit's pronouns is a statement given to like one or two blogs, and it says that any pronoun is acceptable.
Kit (he/she/they/them/it) is the user’s constant companion. Wherever they choose to roam, Kit will accompany and guide them with clever, playful encouragement and support — giving the user the confidence to run free.
That's attributed to Mozilla here: https://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-has-killed-its-old-mascot-heres-what-the-new-cute-one-looks-like/
All other references seem to be chuds on X claiming that it's explicitly they/them and acting like Mozilla is making a big deal about that. As if it matters either way.
If you had some kind of reaction to this post you've fallen for culture war bullshit propaganda, congratulations.
Solid sleuthing there. Edited the post to include your context.
Because it was what before? Why do we care about the gender identity of the fox mascot of a web browser?
Don’t answer, please
the four genders are 00, 01, 10, and 11.
That's not even a full byte! Surely we can spare 6 more bits and support 255 genders.
The gender orientation of the firefox logo is something I haven't thought about ever.
What's the point of this?
The point is that you've fallen for some idiots on X making up culture war bullshit.
Kit's supposed pronouns aren't mentioned by Mozilla anywhere in any Mozilla announcements.
One news site attributes this quote to Mozilla
Kit (he/she/they/them/it) is the user’s constant companion. Wherever they choose to roam, Kit will accompany and guide them with clever, playful encouragement and support — giving the user the confidence to run free.
That's the one and only place that even remotely mentions it as far as I can tell. And it's not even a statement that it's NB or they/them... More like it's a fictional mascot call it what you want.
Mozilla uses "they're" to refer to Kit, but other than that there's no explicit statement at all.
Kit is a companion, not a commentator. They’re not here to deliver punchlines. Kit shows up as a small signal that Firefox is working for you, then steps back so you can keep moving.
It's a distraction from the real important issue, which is...
...what does the fox say? /j
Wha-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pow?!
Ring-di-ding-di-ding-di-ding?
Well, if I was creating a mascot, and I didn't want to think about their gender orientation... they/them pronouns are what I would use. Mozilla actually didn't announce the mascot's gender. People just saw they/them pronouns and made the inference from there.
True, it was just "a fox" for me so far. I didn't really care about the gender of a drawing. I guess it is a good awareness move though
Feels like a publicity stunt more than a genuine attempt to include non-binary people.
Exactly this. It feels like some kind of nonsense spam or troll.
If I was to take the bait, I might say it was to cover for their CEO making some anti gay marriage political contribution. But that was like 15 years ago, I don’t even know if he’s still CEO or if anyone even remembers.
It isn't, though. They never said that the mascot was non-binary.
Awww bummer. I was excited for the NB fox.
To me, this feels more like a PR move than an awareness move. Kind of like: "We don't wanna do anything substantial so uuuuh let's just make our logo non-binary".
It's a terrible PR move if you don't say anything about it. They didn't say "Hey, look! Our mascot is non-binary!" All they did was use they/them pronouns.
What’s more is the non binary fox somehow seems more binary.
Somebody at the Mozilla foundation justifying their pointless job.
Most people default to "this entity is male" without more context. I do it too, it's a bit of an issue I try to be aware of but regularly fail. Male is default, female is marked; that's why the stereotypical "girl" character in video games is just the "boy" character but with eye lashes and lips and maybe high heels. (And non-binary doesn't exist, obv /s)
So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.
Edit: I don't have the spoons to elaborate on "male is default". Can someone else maybe jump in? Thx.
Most people default to “this entity is male” without more context.
I have a hard time wrapping my head about this sentence. I don't think about the gender of any entity without more context because it's usually completely irrelevant.
Male is default, female is marked
So, I didn't grow up in an english speaking country, but if I hear "the baker" I don't automatically assume it's a man. I think it's a person that bakes bread and pastry. The same with "the mechanic", "the engineer", etc. It's all - by default - a person.
Now, if we were to talk german, there is actually a difference. As "the baker", for example, we have "Bäcker" as Male and "Bäckerin" as female. The reason why male is "the default" in german is because it's shorter. That's it. If you say "Der Bäcker", it's as you'd say "the baker" in english, you don't automatically make an assumption about the gender. If you say "Die Bäckerin", you are referring to a female baker specifically.
So I can see this as making the non-genderedness explicit.
Honestly this feels more like a mockery of people that identify as non-binary than raising any kind of awareness. Kinda has some "apache combat helicopter" vibes.
They're not talking about language with the male-as-default, but rather for example this:
The depiction with less discerning features is what we assume to be male. If you want to express female, you have to add a dress or long hair or curves etc..
There's actual scientific research on this bias existing, although I don't know in what way this extends to animal depictions.
Its a fucking cartoon logo, I've never once thought about its gender identity or called it any gender for that matter. I click on it, and that's the extent of my interaction or consideration.
Yes, cool. It's awareness.
And non-binary doesn't exist, obv /s
If not binary then how made of 1s and 0s?
Have you ever seen 1s and 0s out in the real world, outside your smarty-pants books? Thought so. Maths don't real, checkmate atheist.
to be honest, 99% of people don't even think about gender at all without being prompted to. especially when it comes to mascots like the firefox logo. its a browser.
this seems like a PR move by mozilla and nothing more.
That highly depends on the language.
Example in Czech: Generic Fox (Liška) is a girl Generic Wolf (Vlk) is a boy
Because our words themself have genders. Fox: Liška (girl) Lišák (boy) but default if you don't knoe the sex of the animal is in this case the girl version.
This differs per language. And in german (if I'm not mistaken) fox is Der Fuchs, so boy.
I'm using boy/girl instead of male/female, because ... I don't know, that is how I think about it.
Okay, I know that this is supposed to be a riff, but that non-binary line is fucking hilarious.
You could write the whole browser in some kind of interpreted script?
That's stupid, it was genderless before until they brought it up.
My phone would simply give up and restart at this point 😂
Isn't the old mascot/logo completely non-gendered already?
There was nothing like that with the old fox-that-is-on-fire, so I guess mozilla is making a statement by pointing it out.
Except there's basically nowhere that Mozilla actually does. The post is misinformation
Except it's not pointing it out, OP is
I kinda wish that they had pointed it out, but they didn't.
Where do y'all take info on pronouns?
Haven't seen anything in the official announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/meet-kit/
Yeah I noticed that too.
I found this quote supposedly attributed to Mozilla, as far as I can tell this is the whole issue, everything else is chuds on X running with it.
Kit (he/she/they/them/it) is the user’s constant companion. Wherever they choose to roam, Kit will accompany and guide them with clever, playful encouragement and support — giving the user the confidence to run free.
https://www.neowin.net/news/firefox-has-killed-its-old-mascot-heres-what-the-new-cute-one-looks-like/
Okay, don't search for the word "binary". Search for the word "they".
Yes, really.
That's all it took for people like this guy to freak out over wokeness gone amok and Mozilla is coming for your children.
Firefox is now exclusive to ternary computers.
No, Mozilla has seen the future of computing. (CS/CE/IT, don't watch if you don't want to be frustrated.)
Don’t tell the furries
all logos require genders
I never knew or thought about the old one's gender.
It's ternary computing time.
Maybe it’s meant to run on the old Soviet Setun platform.
I have a friend IRL called Kit, who also happens to use they/them pronouns.
nb (short for nota bene) would actually be a good name for a modern replacement for the man command 😂
This would make life harder for me since I have this installed on my system.
Oh ffs we’re calling the word “manual” a micro aggression now?
Oh ffs we’re calling the word “manual” a micro aggression now?
sorry, did my comment trigger you? 🙄
nobody called anything a microaggression or said anything about the non-abbreviated word manual; jokes based on UNIX's abbreviation of it being homonymous with the common noun man have existed since the man command was created.
Non-binary PC is just a quantum computer innit?
There's also analog computers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer
Alas, they got largely displaced by digital computers...
No, ternary exists. We could have built computers with triodes.
I feel that you're stringing us along with that theory.
Does Firefox welcome input from non-binary and LGBTQ+ folks? Are they part of the Mozilla Board of Directors? If they truly believe in inclusion, it seems it would be pretty easy to prove it rather than a cheap, meaningless stunt like this...
What's the stunt? All they did was use they/them pronouns when talking about their mascot. People made the inference from there and ran with it, and y'all are too lazy to do a web search and read the announcement.
Kit looks more she/her than the OG icon.
Hmm.. ..the silliness continues.
Kit looks more she/her than the OG icon.
NBs don't have to be androgynous.
I didn't ascribe a he/him/her/she/them/they to an icon.
It was just that... it.. ..and it is fine.
The rest just strikes me as so much marketing.
Distraction from being a shit corporation.
I mean the source is mostly ascii anyway.
It's not just a binary. It's a BLOB!
fuzzy foxy
Interpreter based firefox script?
So they just laid off a bunch of developers from lack of funding but they have budget for this? When the fucking logo didn’t have a gender to begin with because it’s a fucking logo? Did their AI tell them this was a good idea.
Who cares? Are gonna label the Michelin Man next?
Hate to break it to you, but it’s literally in the name already
