OP has a constant stream of American hate, is Chinese, and moderates /c/usa

Interesting.

E: Wow, the propaganda is THICK! ALERT, ALERT LOL America bad, but commies are worst. Who's racist? I'm a Chinese American you twats. Look at his profile and his posts ffs, most Americans aren't this dense? Lets follow what the fucking commies have to say, shall we?

Typical liberal with the "subtle" racism against Chinese people.

eglin air force base core

Haven't seen anything pointing to OP being Chinese (nor would that be a problem), but it's a good thing to hate the US Empire.

Edit: responding to your edit, there are a lot of us communists here on Lemmy because communists made Lemmy.

What's your favorite flavor of boot? You seem to like those a lot.

you keep on malding there kiddo, also why would you assume I'm Chinese? 🤣

Your post history is full of so much misinformation and propaganda, and it doesn't sound like you could pour piss out of your boot if directions were slapped on the heel. Good luck with whatever you're doing, I'm sure it's rewarding.

Ah yes, misinformation and propaganda as reported by mainstream western sources. Seeing chuds like you lose their shit really is rewarding ngl.

What misinformation? OP certainly has a goal to share news for political reasons, and thus it technically is propaganda, but that doesn't make it misinformation.

I would not trust anyone who doesn't hate America to moderate discussion of America, as such a person would obviously not be operating from a position of clarity.

VERY interesting!

keep coping you racist liberal

go back to reddit

I’m a Chinese American you twats.

My condolences

Unrealistic. Everyone already knows Vance isn't that tall and Trump isn't nearly that smart.

I hate the whole ppl gotta die part of the Iran conflict, but im loving the straight of hormuz shit and kinda give the orange ape credit for this total win.

Gas needs to be waaay more expensive, so that the economy changes and we become less dependent on oil.

As oil becomes more expensive, companies switch to rail, electrify their fleets, and source more locally. Price signaling is amazing for the usa's economy...even tho its hard at first, its more meaningful

Between this and their strikes on ai companies, I gotta hand it to Iran for ushering in a lot of the economic changes we all knew were gonna be necessary.

Why are you using the "Spaceball dollar" for most international trade?

Why are you buying your weapons from the Spaceball?

Why do you make deals conceding power to the Spaceball?

Why does the Spaceball get a UN veto?

WHY

I'm surrounded by assholes.

US citizen here. We hate it. Fuck Trump and his pedo defenders. Burn it all down and start over.

I would just say don't do Spaceballs wrong like that... But no.

The actions of the US government have been so destructive that they are comparable to the empire in the dumbest way possible.

Yes and no. Unfortunately, they are not entirely incompetent in the crimes they are commiting, which is why they still inflict a tremendous amount of damage and suffering.

Pretty sure there actually the second picture.

2013 international Gallup poll: "Which country is the biggest threat to world peace"

Pakistan to India: I don't think about you at all.

France pointing to... Syria? Seriously?

There really should be an American flag over Scotland in that one.

It really should be British one.

Why does this map label the US as “North America” in the first version?

That’s a really weird error.

You have to deny so many American atrocities to make a map like this.

What about Libya, Yemen, Serbia, Colombia... Canada? Actually, scratch that, the below is before Trump. After it should all be in red.

This implies the global south enjoyed imperialism before Trump. The global south should be far more against the US Empire in the top image.

You're forgetting the large amount of Americans who also hate America

Most Americans hate trump now too

Can confirm. American. I hate Trump.

Even Antarctica!

Since the Trump tariffs

Is Israel green in the bottom map or not? 🧐

Canada hated them before Trump.

I assume at this point, the world sees us as the 3rd picture.

Always as stupid Rednecks with too much money and a big Dunner-Kruger Syndrom.

Actually the Avengers from Age Of Ultron is appropriate because they destroyed a country fighting an enemy of their own creation and expected everyone to congratulate them for it.

Also they started a Civil War after that, given the domestic political situation that's not too far off either.

We don't think the world sees us as the Avengers anymore. At this point things are so bad here we've stopped thinking (which is different than not caring) about how the world thinks of us. For fuck's sake our president started a war when we weren't looking. It's like riding in a bus the size of a football field being driven by a drunk, that's what living in America is like.

"when we weren't looking" sounds like a cop out

We were looking, just not there. There was literally no preamble to this war, Iran wasn't even in the news.

Graham senator guy has been goading for a war with Iran since 2010 or even earlier

Who? I don't think the US Senate voted on the Iran war. IIRC Trump just did it and Congress was like "this is fine 🐶🔥"

I believe the preamble was when we elected a pedo, and then news came out that, SURRPISE! He's a pedo.

Not like every other administration was harassing them and trying to goad them into war.

For fuck’s sake our president started a war when we weren’t looking.

But you'd be fine with it if he did it while you were looking, of course

My point is that we're so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can't start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises. We had military occupations in our cities which have been forgotten because that was half a dozen scandals ago.

Personally I've been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.

Now there is a war. I'm going hungry.

My point is that we’re so inundated with terrible news and horrific policy we can’t start to mount an opposition to a specific change before the next horror arises.

You didn't do that under previous presidents either.

Personally I’ve been in panic mode for a year because I was a government contractor before Trump let Elon Musk lay me off. Due to the economy Trump is directly responsible for the only job I could find pays 1/4 of what I was making with no benefits.

Damn, truly nobody has been more mistreated by the US Empire than you. I'm sure the people Gaza would be horrified if they only knew.

Now there is a war.

And apparently it would be ok if it wasn't started behind your back?

He's not asking for your pity, or mine. He's explaining why he and many other Americans are feeling helpless and are finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.

Interstingly sanctions had this same effect on the Iranian middle class. No way to revolt and replace the government when your rent is double your income.

He's trying to pretend that the US was any better before Trump was elected

finding it difficult to mount a resistance, eventhough they know they should.

A major part of it is because those who do mount any kind of actual resistance that has any potential for being effective, they get murdered and disappeared. E.g. Black Panthers, or the original leadership of BLM before it was coopted by liberals. Any genuine leftism in the US has been effectively eradicated by outright murder, intense anticommunist propaganda campaigns (targeting every segment of society from elementary schools to popular media control to even workers unions themselves), and direct infiltration and dismantling of leftist organizations of any size. This society is practically built around a pathological individualism that neuters any potential for mass action. Our culture has been cultivated to only accept rightward expressions of political dissatisfaction, with no room for or even basic understanding of leftwing organization.

Ahh yes. Quantification of suffering to dismiss it as invalid. The ol' .ml classic.

That comment was not about "quantification of suffering," it was pointing out that untold suffering was already being caused by the US and its war criminal presidents before the most recent one was in office. Yet so many only seemed to notice when it started effecting them personally. Which isn't surprising, but when Americans who previously just went about their privileged lives up until Trump came along talk as if this juggernaut of misery, cruelty, and death is only a recent thing, that's very demeaning to the millions who have bore the brunt of that cruelty for decades. It is also frankly chauvanistic. It is very inappropriate to write that off as "quantification of suffering" but it sounds like you just have a beef with the .ml instance.

Fair, not the instance in general, but certain bad actors among you. I still see it as dismissial of suffering through comparison. Not a valid play in my book.

Not a valid play in my book.

This isn't debate club, nobody cares what's in your book

Go back to Reddit

Nah

Edit: plus, we already had this discussion elsewhere in the thread.

You'd be happier among your own kind

You people are obsessed

?

🙄

What do you mean anymore? Have a look at Wikipedia. They are the asshole neighbours for many decades.

For fuck’s sake our president started a war when we weren’t looking

Russians be like: wow that never happened and here we go again...

More of you could have gone out to vote against him. More of you could go to more than a one day protest once every few months.

Make May 1st your general nationwide strike with more people than the pitiful efforts that have been seen at this point.

the us has been doing shit like this for decades. trump simply just made it obvious.

We've been protesting weekly here in MN.

Let's go! 55 weeks in a row now here.

Every day, all day, clog the arteries of industry.

I think something most of the outside world doesn't understand about the USA, there are very few "us" unless you're conservative. It's a hyper individualistic society in an extremely large geographic area. The idea of collective anything is a foreign concept to me and I'm literally in a work union for the first time in my life for the worst job I've ever had. Unless my current Union is ok with the strike I can't afford to skip work. If I didn't have a union then the striking would be completely out of the question. I've been let go from jobs at the drop of a hat growing up in a "right to work state". There isn't a social safety net and my neighbors are completely ok with me becoming homeless. People who get to protest I've viewed as being privileged beyond my means. Community here is for the privileged and I'm scraping by to survive.

Then you have nothing to lose, except what little freedom you have left to continue this endless suffering of hand to mouth bullshit.

I can lose my life. I can lose my health. I can lose my freedom. All those things could happen with a high chance of failure without anything changing. In fact I could make the situation worse. The failed assassination attempt on Trump boosted his poll numbers and contributed to his victory and his paranoia.

It's very easy for people like you to tell me to sacrifice, but people like you will never help me.

Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable. Put your money where your mouth is. Then we will discuss what I'm freed up to do to help the world.

How can I help, not being a US citizen?

Get someone over here to give me a full time job. Or sponsor me to move wherever you are. Have a job ready for me when I get there. I got PMP, PMI-ACP, and PSM I certifications along with AWS certifications. I need either a source of income that can support me without firing me for protesting or a way out after I do whatever you want done.

Or I will do my best to divest myself from anything that involves the American economy. By starving your economy, it has less money to make military equipment, and therefore to enforce evil wars.

Make a sacrifice for me first. Do anything to make my life tolerable.

Not beating the stereotype

You say this like it was any better before Trump

Most of the people commenting here were probably children before trump. What did you want the children to do?

Realise that it wasn't better before Trump

It was more important to teach the democrats a lesson than stop literal fascism for a non-zero portion of us, unfortunately.

For the democrats, it was more important to continue literal fascism and teach the left a lesson than to win.

The Democrats were literal fascism, genocide apologist

Define fascism

Go back to Reddit

Haha, i get it.

But seriously, define literal fascism.

They wont.

Terminal redditer

Is that Oracle's Larry Ellison on the right?

fuck it do look like him tho 🤣

Need Frank Castle in the top photo. Bottom picture should replace center photo, and bottom photo should be replaced by the video of that orangutan driving a golf cart or a photo of a group monkeys, some masterbating and some flinging excrement.

I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes!

Major Asshole!

"the americans can be relied upon to do the right thing, once all other options have been exhausted" --paraphrasing winston churchill

I think we've stopped at the "wrong things" part and just refuse to move on.

Yeah unfortunately the current admin is so stupid they think the wrong things ARE the right thing

I'm surprised nobody in the 2nd or 3rd pics are morbidly obese

In space, you’re weightless.

It used to be that I hated government, not the people. Now even with people I have to consider there are openly fascist ones supporting Trump.

Government and people are tightly linked. Governments tend not to stray too far from what their people believe, at least openly, since they want to keep power, and their heads. The fact that the US is now openly doing what its been doing for decades behind closed doors and pretending not to do, means that they at the very least hold the belief that a large portion of the population is willing, open to, and/or indifferent to their actions, finally. Makes sense though, since most US americans are disgusting, racist, fascist, self-centred isolationist rubbish, and have been for a long time. The self aware ones, or those who become self-aware after invading some far off country and realising that they are in fact, the baddies (only after torching a village or tormenting the local populace) are few and far between.

I saw a video recently of a US soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan, Id say sometime in the 2000s (2000-2010), complaining that they're not allowed to retaliate (shoot is actually the word he used) children who it seens regularly threw rocks at their vehicles along that particular stretch of road, and he didnt seem to realise that he was the invader, nor that those are fucking kids and what he was saying was abnormal and sick...

To summarize:

I KNEW IT. I'M SURROUNDED BY ASSHOLES!

SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK

Yo

America was isolationist until they were dragged kicking and screaming into the war. Churchill was regularly crossing the Atlantic to beg Roosevelt to try to garner enough support to join the war. The American people did not care. The majority were against joining the war.

All the same today, The majority of Americans either support MAGA or are indifferent. Short of some great personal injury such as a Pearl Harbor type event, Americans will continue to be as they are.

The idea that Americans were anti-fascist heroes is propaganda. They were only angry that they got got by Japan.

you did nothing loser, it was the soviets and the chinese who did that, you piece of shit

I'm so sorry that you got your education at a clown school.

The soviets saved the world from fascism, 4/5ths of Nazi deaths were on the Eastern Front. The US took advantage of its new privledged position after World War II to become the world hegemonic empire, which leads us to today. Before World War II, it was and still is to this day a genocidal settler colony.

Hitler and Stalin were allies from 1939 to 1941. Stalin's incompetence in the 1930s lead to the deaths of millions of Soviets, and imperiled millions more;

Churchill, for all his faults—and he had a several very bad faults—at least took Hitler seriously;

but yes, the Soviets fought harder than any Ally.

The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance. The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French. The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.

When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, the Soviets reluctantly agreed to sign a non-agression pact, in order to delay the coming war that everyone knew was happening soon. Throughout the last decade, Britain, France, and other western countries had formed pacts with Nazi Germany, such as the Four-Power Pact, the German-French-Non-Agression Pact, and more. Molotov-Ribbentrop was unique among the non-agression pacts with Nazi Germany in that it was right on the eve of war, and was the first between the USSR and Nazi Germany. It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.

Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:

If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.

Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis. The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis, it was about spheres of influence and red lines the Nazis should not cross in Poland. When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior. Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle? The West made it clear that they were never going to help anyone against the Nazis until it was their turn to be targeted.

Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:

I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.

Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:

The Nazis and soviets were never allies. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance, and the non-aggression pact between the soviets and the Nazis was unique among the other non-aggression pacts in that it was on the eve of war. The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.

Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.

The communists were never allies with the Nazis. A non-aggression pact is not an alliance.

They kind of acted like allies, particularly with regards to Poland, which they split between themselves, and before you cite that it was a preemptive strike—I suppose a sort of "the Nazis-will-invade-Poland-before-us-so-we-might-as-well-have-a-chunk-of-it-right-now-to-fight-there-rather-in-our-beloved-Soviet-Motherland"—there are things like the wp:Katyn massacre. Again, Stalin's purges hurt the Soviet's ability to counter the Nazis, and I'll add maybe scared more Germans into voting for Nazis.

The communists spent the decade prior trying to form an anti-Nazi coalition force, such as the Anglo-French-Soviet Alliance which was pitched by the communists and rejected by the British and French.

It might be due to bad PR: while Hitler was having his Nuremberg rally and the Berlin Olympics, Stalin was having his purges.

The communists hated the Nazis from the beginning, as the Nazi party rose to prominence by killing communists and labor organizers, cemented bourgeois rule, and was violently racist and imperialist, while the communists opposed all of that.

Agreed, but both Communists and Nazis were also anti-liberal—a lot of Germans were liberal—but I suppose the KPD weren't really into coalition-building with liberals and/or democrats in those days.

When the many talks of alliances with the west all fell short, ..., It was a last resort, when the west was content from the beginning with working alongside Hitler.

Yes, but I don't think the others involved carving up other countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, and the idiot British PM who was responsible for that resigned soon after it backfired, while after Molotov-Ribbentrop, Stalin continued to rule until his death in 1953.

Harry Truman, in 1941 in front of the Senate, stated:

If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don’t want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances.

and some Americans believed in continued neutrality for similar reasons.

Not only that, but it was the Soviet Union that was responsible for 4/5ths of total Nazi deaths, and winning the war against the Nazis.

and kudos to the people of the USSR.

The Soviet Union did not agree to invade Poland with the Nazis,

I presume it was implied.

When the USSR went into Poland, it stayed mostly to areas Poland had invaded and annexed a few decades prior.

Presumably they hit the areas defended not by the Nazis but by the Poles—i.e. the eastern part.

Should the Soviets have let Poland get entirely taken over by the Nazis, standing idle?

wp:Poland–Russia relations#Soviet Union

For the next two decades, Poland was seen by the Soviet Union as an enemy and, along with Germany (under both the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich), as a "politically illegitimate" state created by the Allied Powers during World War I at the expense of Germany and Russia.[15][16] During the interwar period Joseph Stalin feared a coordinated Polish-Japanese two-front invasion. Numerous residents of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic also fled across the border to Poland in protest of the First Five-Year Plan's collectivization policies and the Holodomor.[16] The Soviet Union supported subversive activities of the Communist Party of Poland, the Communist Party of Western Belarus, and the Communist Party of Western Ukraine. Poland in turn sent secret agents across the border to encourage rebellion against Soviet rule, which caused Stalin to begin to associate Poles in the Soviet Union with nationalist dissident and terrorist groups. The NKVD murdered 111,091 Poles during the Polish Operation and deported many families to Kazakhstan. Fears of a Polish invasion and external espionage also gave justification to the general internal repression of the Great Purge in the 1930s. Nevertheless, the USSR and Poland concluded a formal Non-Aggression Pact in 1932.[16]

So I guess Moscow and Warsaw weren't getting along.

wp:Soviet invasion of Poland#Soviet invasion of Poland

The Soviets demanded the right to enter these countries in case of a security threat.[50] Talks on military matters, that had begun in mid-August, quickly stalled over the topic of Soviet troop passage through Poland in the event of a German attack. British and French officials pressured the Polish government to agree to the Soviet terms.[51][52] However, Polish officials bluntly refused to allow Soviet troops to enter Polish territory upon expressing grave concerns that once Red Army troops had set foot on Polish soil, they might decline demands to leave.[53] Thereupon Soviet officials suggested that Poland's objections be ignored and that the tripartite agreements be concluded.[54] The British refused the proposal, fearing that such a move would encourage Poland to establish stronger bilateral relations with Germany.[55]

So a country that was partially-at-least ruled by the Kremlin, didn't want soldiers ruled by the Kremlin in their country again.

I just checked this out:

wp:Konstantin Rokossovsky

(my bold)

He served in the Imperial Russian Army during World War I, and in 1918, joined the Red Army and fought with distinction during the Russian Civil War. Rokossovsky rose to hold senior Red Army commands by 1937, when he fell victim to Joseph Stalin's Great Purge and was branded a traitor, imprisoned and tortured. After Soviet failures in the Winter War, Rokossovsky was released from prison in 1940 and returned to command of an army corps.

What was this Polish commie doing in a commie prison?

more evidence of Stalin's idiocy.

Churchill did not take the Nazis as a serious threat, and was horrified when FDR and Stalin made a joke about executing Nazis. Churchill starved millions to death in India in preventable ways, and had this to say about it:

I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion. The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.

I'll have to check that out. Maybe I've overestimated him; and yes, he at least seems to have been genocidal, though such would give fuel (might have given fuel) to non-racist isolationists in the US and neutral European countries, such as those in Switzerland and Ireland.

Meanwhile, the soviet famine in the 1930s was the last major famine outside of wartime in the USSR, because collectivized farming achieved food security in a region where famine was common. As a consequence, life expectancy doubled:

  1. anti-Communist ≠ necessarily pro-Tsarist

  2. After Stalin died and Khrushchev took over, things seemed to improve.

  3. Under capitalism—however regulated—Ukraine—IIUC—is a food exporter; though the the Kremlin is still making them suffer.

The soviets knew war was coming, and so bought more time to prepare.

Besides invading Poland and fighting the Poles, I wonder what did the Soviets do in those 22⅓ months to prepare that they didn't do in the several years previous.

Not sure what including an example of the social fascism of the SPD at the end there is supposed to do for your point.

wp:Ernst Thälmann

(my bold)

The KPD under Thälmann's leadership regarded the Social Democratic Party (SPD) as an adversary and the party adopted the position that the social democrats were "social fascists". Both the SPD and KPD were already previously split on many key issues, however, this new stance clarified it was impossible for the two parties to form a united front against the Nazi Party.

Thälmann was leader of the paramilitary Roter Frontkämpferbund. After the Nazi regime began, he was arrested by the Gestapo in 1933 and held in solitary confinement for eleven years. Stalin and Vyacheslav Molotov originally sought Thälmann’s release;[3] after the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, efforts to that end were abandoned,[4] while Thälmann's party rival Walter Ulbricht ignored requests to plead on his behalf. Thälmann was shot dead on Adolf Hitler's personal order in Buchenwald in 1944.

I hope he died with the consolation that at least maybe many "social fascists" were also executed by the Nazis.

The soviets did not "split Poland" with the Nazis, the soviets only went in weeks after the Nazis did. Most of the area the Soviets took are areas in modern Lithuania and Ukraine. Poland had annexed them in the Polish-Soviet War and the Polish-Lithuanian War earlier. Katyn gets pinned on the Soviets because Goebbels reported on it and it became a useful story, but the execution method was distinctly Nazi, ie killing men, women, and children from behind into mass graves. The ammunition was German-produced in 1941, and the rope used to bind the hands of the victims was German made. It was entirely characteristc of Nazi execution methods and with Nazi equipment.

“Of 225 shells found in this grave, 205 are the German 1941 “Hasag” type, 17 are the German 1941 “Dürlach” type, 2 are of the unmarked 1930s Soviet type; and one is marked “B 1906.” Hence 98.67% of the shells are of 1941 German manufacture.”

The soviets and Poland indeed did not get along, at least not until Poland turned socialist. Poland had been engaging in wars of conquest in the preceding decades, killing Hungarians, Lithuanians, and Ukrainians, annexing their lands. Considering that the soviet union was a multi-national federation of socialist countries, it makes sense that there would be bad blood between them. After Poland turned socialist, it recieved large investments and skyrocketed in industrial output and quality of life metrics.

As for the purges, the need to investigate the party for traitors was legitimate. After the assassination of Kirov, a conspiracy against the soviet state was found, along with infiltration from fascists. Khrushchev did not improve the soviet union, but rather set the seeds for its dissolution. For more on the topic of Stalin, the early soviet period, and Khrushchev, see Stalin: The History and Critique of a Black Legend.

What improved in the soviet union was the benefit of the decades of industrialization and planting the seeds for the future that existed in the 20s and 30s, fighting off the Nazis and saving the world from fascism, and recovery from that war. The early soviets had worked tirelessly to create a new world.

The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.

Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.

The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.

When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski's Human Rights in the Soviet Union.

The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.

Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism in the USSR. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries.

Returning to World War II, the soviets continued their preparatory work for war. It involved dramatic, rapid industrialization, which they needed to continue to close the industrial gap with Germany. Their rate of growth was higher than that of Germany, but in absolute terms were still lagging, so any bit of time they could buy was worth it. See The Soviets Expected It.

Returning to the KPD and SPD, the reason the SPD were so hated by the KPD is because the SPD aided the Nazis in killing communists. The SPD's anti-communism aligned them with the Nazis, whom they found a common enemy. The SPD's plan of voting for Hindenburg came true and failed spectacularly as Hitler took power anyways, proving the Communists correct, that the fascists needed to be fought directly. The SPD being killed by the Nazis for being too left wing is a direct result of their assistance with killing the communists first. See how the SPD betrayed the revolution.


As a side note, wikipedia is not a source. It is a compilation of sources at best, and at worst it can be wrong or misleading, lacking key context or mistranslating primary sources.

Thank you for your reply, and I appreciate the effort; but as a (decent) rebuttal to this would involve more reading on my part, it might take a while to reply to it—but I intend to.

Until then, have a nice day. 🙂

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Look up operation paperclip

To be clear, the way the soviets treated the Nazis was entitely different from the way the US did. The soviets kept them under maximum security, paid them low wages, and kept them on the tightest leash possible. The US gave them high positions in government, sent many to countries like Canada and Argentina, and gave them leading roles in organizations like NATO.

Despite this, the affected specialists and their families were doing well compared to citizens of the Soviet Union and the Soviet Zone, apart from the suffering of deportation and isolation. The specialists earned more than their Soviet counterparts.

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After this period of intellectual quarantine had passed, the specialists returned to Germany between 1950 and 1958, the majority of them before 1954.[5] Before leaving, they were taught to keep their years in the Soviet Union secret. Some specialists received chairs in GDR universities (e.g., Werner Albring, Waldemar Wolff), became an East German party official like Erich Apel.

I checked out the article on this guy:

wp:Erich Apel

He was tireless in his work of calculation, measuring and modelling.[6] He seems to have made a good impression, since in August 1940 he was relieved of all further obligations regarding military service. In November 1940 he was appointed to the position of plant engineer and assistant to the facility director.[1] He was totally uninterested in politics, never joining the party, and regarded by colleagues as a dedicated engineer, body and soul.[6]

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Even if Apel had nothing to do with setting up and running the vast deadly forced labour infrastructure, as the engineer responsible for the rockets he was naturally associated with it.

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In June 1954, already a junior government minister, Apel became a candidate for party membership. Membership was granted in March 1957.[1] Slightly more than one year later, in July 1958, he became a candidate for Central Committee membership.[9] In July 1960 Apel became one of approximately 112 members of the powerful Party Central Committee.[1][10]

Some people think conversions are possible, I suppose.

Yes, they were kept isolated and under strict observance, then expelled. They were not given high positions en masse and protected. Adolf Heusinger, for example, was made head of NATO for his experience as a Nazi. Apel was the exception, not the rule, Heusinger was the rule, not the exception.

The expulsions don't seem to be too harsh, but otherwise fair enough.

It’s still a good thing that you brought up the soviet version of paperclip because facing contradictions is important for growth

Makes me sick just thinking about so many getting away with everything

My grandfather served in the same Americanmilitary who thought it was inappropriate for him to die in the same trench as a black man or for women to wear pants. I'm not really interested in fluffing their generation - they're perfectly happy doing it themselves.

I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism

If you're talking about WW2 then you're wrong

wp:Sterling Hayden (March 26, 1916 – May 23, 1986)

He received the Silver Star for gallantry in action in the Balkans and Mediterranean (according to his citation, "Lt. Hamilton displayed great courage in making hazardous sea voyages in enemy-infested waters and reconnaissance through enemy-held areas"), a Bronze Arrowhead device for parachuting behind enemy lines, and a commendation from Yugoslavia's Josip Broz Tito. He left active duty on December 24, 1945.[19] Tito awarded him the Order of Merit.[20]

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I want to note that the grandparents of the modern day Americans saved us from oppression and fascism

If you’re talking about WW2 then you’re wrong

Like many of his contemporaries, he was an American who had/has modern day grandchildren, and probably did more to fight fascism than many Lemmy leftists.

Pointing to individual soldiers as opposed to looking at broader movements and forces at play just obfuscates the concrete reality that the US Empire was very happy to sit out, loaning the allies weaponry, and profiting off the war. It wasn't until Pearl Harbor that they really got involved, and the US Empire did so with the aim of establishing itself as a new imperial hegemon, a status it has today but is quickly losing.

Without contesting your reply, I think the reference was about the individuals soldiers and those other Americans who fought the fascists, including Nazis.

No, when referring to a generation as having saved the next generations from fascism, the credit is being assigned to that generation, not individuals. It isn't about individual anti-fascists.

Who's "us", asshole? America has been a genocidal settler colony for centuries

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