Replication crisis, my arse
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Science MemesI did the same thing at our local sushi restaurant. For a while I was convinced it was the iced tea.
Nope, I just randomly became allergic to fish in my 20s.
OMG I did the same thing at a local pub. Thinking steak sandwich. Ordered one up. Pretty good! Went home, went to bed. Three hours later - gurgle - glorp - oh shit! The rest of the night it was coming out both ends. Feel fine after some sleep. Forget all about it. Three weeks later, at the same pub. Thinking steak sandwich again. Pretty good! Went home, went to bed. Sure enough, three hours later, lather, rinse, repeat. Feel fine after some sleep. Forget all about it. Three weeks later, go to the same pub. Thinking steak sandwich again, third time's the charm, right? My face when the pub had a sign up saying it was closed down for health code violations :/ To be fair, it was a good sandwich.
That's basically my experience with salvia in my late teens/early 20s. Enough time would pass where I'd think, "it really couldn't be as bad as I remember," and every time I learned that it could be worse than I remembered.
Also with smoking weed when very drunk.
Get checked for hepb if you're unvaccinated for it. It lingers after exposure. That shit will ruin your liver later if ignored.
8 times.
Human capacity never ceases to amaze me.
i thought my beer had expired one night because i had a terrible time on the toilet at 4am but i totally forgot i ate an entire wedge of blue cheese earlier
It's a shame that this is a re-post: I would like to know if the culprit was the tuna or the house sauce.
Iirc it was the house sauce
Repeatedly off tuna without smell would be kind of hard to replicate.
My bet is on the sauce (like they kept reflling the same contaminated container)
Repeatedly getting sick from a work surface or employee hygiene seems sketch. up to 50% of the times and i'd be on board, but every time....
Plot twist: its because they never properly cleaned the prep area, the fridge was too warm and the employees didnt wash their hands regularly when switching between the cash register and food handling.
This guy. Taking the bullet for all of us. A true scientist.
There was a cheapo Japanese restaurant downtown. Plastic everything. Went there for lunch a while back. Worst Bento box ever.
Six months later. Hmm, Bento box sounds good. Go to this Japanese restaurant. Halfway through the awful meal, remember I'd been there! Swore never to go back. Again.
This cycle repeated SIX times.
What broke it was the whole building burning to the ground because of a grease fire.
Point is... hmm... Bento for lunch sounds good.
I had a similar experience involving pizza. Growing up I remember eating sbarro. I remember liking it. I know I liked the look of how shiny the pizza was. It reminded me of cartoon pizza.
Anyway, fast forward till I'm 30 year old man recruiting for the military. I was in malls walking around and I noticed the shiny pizza from sbarro. I ordered it. I ate it. It tasted like cardboard. I don't know if they changed their recipe, but chances are my taste buds just grew up and had better quality pizza over the years.
Well....I'm a slow learner and over the course of about 2-3 months I ended up eating sbarro like 3-4 times. Everytime I saw that shiny pizza, my brain had a nostalgia hit and I just went an ordered the 2 slice and a drink deal. After the last time, I wanted to throw it away but I forced myself to finish the cardboard pizza so I would remember how terrible it is.
I haven't had sbarro since.
The nice thing about pizza is that even when it's bad it's still pretty good.
For real. I've had very few truly awful pizzas. I remember the bad ones. Looking at you "Marco's Pizza."
I have such good memories from my time in Fukuoka and the bentos on sale after a certain hour, it really was dirt cheap and super good. If my memory serves right, it was around 200¥, 230¥, something like that. Approximately 2€ ! even less today with the yen having lost value.
Could also be the owner that never washes his hands.
And that's why I came into the office drinking a bottle of house sauce.
Fun fact: This is not actually much different from the process of testing which foods trigger your IBS. After keeping the low FODMAPs diet, wherein you initially remove all possible triggers, you then test them one by one to see which ones you have specifically.
This is me. Turns out basically everything gives me dhiarrea.
Is your username inspired by this?
It is indeed!
I feel like a binary search method would work too
A Binary search requires a ordered data set. Something like "if you react to X, you will also react to any X+1, X+2... X+n. Food is not ordered, you cant know if you react badly to bell peper because you reacted badly to whole grain wheat.
Can't you easily reduce this to a compatible problem though?
Let's say you have the set of foods you suspect: red blue green yellow brown purple
You construct an ordered set from this by making the elements sets of foods such that each set is the one to its left plus any one more entry, the leftmost set is the empty one, and the rightmost is the one containing all your suspects:
{}, {red}, {red, blue}, {red, blue, green} .... {red, blue, green, yellow, brown}, {red, blue, green, yellow, brown, purple}
Now a check operation means eating the elements in the current set, if you get sick you go half way to the left border and update the right one, if you don't get sick you go half way to the right border and update the left one.
You should end up with the smallest set that makes you sick. Subtract the set to the left of it and you have the food that makes you sick left over.
Yes, you can reduce it much faster assuming one food doesn't contaminate random other foods and it's not a workplace hygiene thing.
You could also ask for a bowl, dressing on the side, take it home, try the tuna, 12h try the dressing, 12h try the veggies.
Not necessarily, but searching a data set that’s not ordered relies on an assumption that there’s a single thing you’re looking for.
If there are 10 ingredients, you get sick and you only take half next time, you need to be able to assume that there’s one set of 5 that doesn’t get you sick and one that does, and so on until you get down to the last ingredient.
It’s a good way to e.g. quickly find the right breaker in the box, because for each device/ socket there’s just one breaker that’s responsible, so flipping half of them gives you an actionable result
No, it's very different.
When you have multiple allergies/intolerances, starting at zero and then adding one thing at a time is a lot more efficient than removing one thing at a time.
Removing one thing at a time will create many false negatives, where you remove a hit but don't notice because you left another hit behind.
That's not binary search.
Correct. I didn't reply to the binary search post.
When I was an alcoholic I diagnosed myself with lactose intolerance. I’d have the Gatling Shits and wonder ‘Hmm was it the 14 tallboy cans of beer last night or the half liter of milk I had for lunch? Must have been the milk.’
So your lactose intolerant huh? That sucks. I used to wonder what food was causing my rectum to bleed so much, but I've diagnosed that it wasn't something to worry about until my 40s.
constipation can cause that, if shits are too hard too.
Dealing with bleeding in my 40s after putting it off for a few years, don't recommend.
Yeah it started for me around 18 or so. I've put it off for 18 years now. I'm sure it was a mixture of drinking, dehydration, excessive running, stress and poor diet. For a little while I couldn't figure out if it was hemmroids from stress/riding a motorcycle and other strains but when I read more into the damages that can be done from long distance running all the time, I think that and diet caused most of it. Excessive alcohol use following that up didn't help much. I've learned that bad choices are my Pokemon, I apparently just have to catch them all before I learn anything
Username checks out?
How......can you even long distance run without much real food, and I'll assume both were a regular thing?
I didnt get lactose intolerance until I was in my 30s. So weird that my body just decided "Nah, Im good with dairy products" all on it's own.
Really wish I would have discovered that earlier in life, before I developed my crippling cocoa pebbles addiction.
Guess you only got a little trial period of lactase persistence, as a treat, but it ran out too soon.
Didn't even get a reminder to renew my subscription, dirty bastards.
So weird that my body just decided “Nah, Im good with dairy products” all on it’s own.
That's actually the normal way your body is supposed to be. Most mammals lose their tolerance a little after they are weaned. Only some portions of humans retained lactase in their guts, generally groups that were pastoralists retained lactase and other groups didn't. It's why most east asian don't have lactose tolerance but Mongolians, some Sub-Saharan Africans, and Europeans do.
There's no way our bodies are "supposed" to be. There's the way they are and the way they were. Also some brave and dedicated individuals can apparently overcome lactose intolerance through exposure therapy. Basically they eat a bunch of dairy every day for weeks until their gut biome readjusts to digest lactose without all the discomfort. Apparently the gas and bloating are caused by the overgrowth of some bacteria and it just takes some time to find a new equilibrium so you don't get big blooms every time you eat lactose.
Same, buddy. It was the milk for sure.
It was ice cream for me
You mean the tuna and the house sauce weren't the two variables this guy tried isolating first?
He literally tried removing rice and all the vegetables before thinking "hmm, maybe it's the tuna or the sauce."
What a loon. He deserves every one of those awful shits.
Good science doesn't start with biases friend.
Good science will use previous norms, findings and general trends to provide a more useful starting point tho.
Good science starts from the body of evidence we already know, creates a plausible hypothesis, and then tests that hypothesis to see whether it can be disproven.
We don't say "hey, maybe gravity isn't real so to be unbiased I need to assume it's not and test every other possibility before determining what keeps making these bricks fall on my head every time I throw them up in the air"
No need to reinvent the wheel for every experiment.
Depends on how much tuna you want to eat in the process, shits be dammed. Optimize for quantity of fish consumed.
I'll eat tuna from somewhere that doesn't give me bad tuna...
Quite the sense of humor you've cultivated there.
I don't need humor, I just need unspoiled tuna.
Maybe not the greatest example since we don't fully understand gravity. ”good" in the sense of being expedient, affordable and conventional. Sometimes approaching unsolved problems without the constraints of prior constructs can lead to better understanding.
Also, vegetables usually are the culprits anyways.
Okay, but they can focus on experiments designed to determine whether gravity is caused by quantum mechanics or relativity or something else. They don't need to drop bricks on their heads just to prove newtonian physics...
Gotta do it in random order.
probably the "inhouse sauce"
It’s fun to watch people self-diagnose food allergies.
In this case it would be an intolerance, and those you really do have to find on your own, unfortunately. And figuring it out can be extremely difficult.
Pretty sure he's forgetting the constant variable, where x equals the times the cook uses the porta potty divided by the times he washes his hands.
(i.e division by zero = butthole undefined, or maybe infinite diarrhea).
It's one of them.
Flawed assumption. It could be both. You'll need to eat there at least two more times to find out, assuming each trial yields 100% certainty.
~~Edit: I thought it should be obvious that we're taking them absolutely at their word that they've properly isolated these two variables because this experiment exists inside a joke and never happened. The whole point of the joke is that the methodology is god awful and completely unrealistic, so questioning that they've truly isolated the variables is pointless.~~
Edit 2: Wait, I totally misread the experiment setup. @TheYojimbo@lemmy.world is entirely correct that they've eliminated nothing if the experiment is totally defined by 8 bowls and 8 bouts of diarrhea. They're still converging on at least one cause, but there could still be others. My career is ruined.
In fact, they could be allergic to some or all of the ingredients eliminated. Or to the delivery driver's personal hygiene.
Or the bowls. Or something at that location...
1 poke bowl, hold the bowl
Or neither.
We'll take them at their word that they've truly narrowed the variables to tuna and house sauce (i.e. they've eaten a meal consisting of only tuna and house sauce and gotten sick, at least one of which has always been the underlying cause, but everything else they've eaten has been properly eliminated, and there are no ways outside of the food truck they could've gotten sick), and thus the only logical options are T, HS, or T+HS. The premise of the joke already relies on completely unrealistic simplifying assumptions, so we can too.
Edit: We will not do this because it's logically impossible based on the described experiment thus far. I'm an utter dipshit.
They said they ate 8 times and got diarrhea 8 times, the only way to be sure it's one of them is to eat at least once without those ingredients and not get diarrhea
~~They said they got diarrhea 8 times over 8 bowls, but they never said how many ingredients they used.~~ (Edit: Fuck)
Assume nine ingredients exist: a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i
- Bowl 1: a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h + i: Diarrhea
- Bowl 2: a: No diarrhea
- Bowl 3: b: No diarrhea
- Bowl 4: c: No diarrhea
- Bowl 5: d: No diarrhea
- Bowl 6: e: No diarrhea
- Bowl 7: f: No diarrhea
- Bowl 8: g: No diarrhea
- Bowl 9: The one the OP is referring to "tomorrow", which could have h, i, or h + i
That's a perfectly feasible if disgusting way to have a bowl from a poke truck if you're doing it solely for an experiment. And that's just one setup; there are more convoluted ones you could do that have fewer ingredients but mixed together so your bowls aren't just one combination. I just chose the counterexample that's easiest to construct mathematically and which logically uses the fewest steps to eliminate each ingredient.
Edit: Wait, sorry, I misconstructed this because I misread it even while quoting it. Fuck, if they got diarrhea each time, then yeah, they've properly eliminated nothing.
Yeah that's what I meant, 100% diarrhea means they eliminated nothing. Sorry I should have phrased that better.
Oh, no, you phrased it fine; I read 8 bowls and 8 bouts multiple times and somehow still misinterpreted the experiment. It was only after I wrote down and submitted an example setup that I snapped out of my own illiteracy. I realized every possible counterexample was assuming "no diarrhea" trials.
If we're taking them at their word (and not the silly joke it is) technically they could have removed 7 ingredients so far, with only 2 left, while still having diarrhea each time. In that context, say next time they try the dish with only 1 ingredient and the don't have diarrhea, then they have the likely suspect. They could then try the dish with every ingredient except the suspected allergen to confirm it
100% diarrhea means they eliminated nothing.
I take exception to this phrasing, whenever i have 100% diarrhea I eliminate the the contents of my guts and a half roll of toilet paper at least.
dude I've def ate food I loved the taste of but knew it was gonna make me shit liquid fire.
so good. like, gas station greasy ramen in red hot water broth, but so good
then so bad, so very bad
On the off chance this isn't just a joke and never happened, in theory they had to have eaten the exact same dish each time, but requested removal of a single ingredient, and are now down to the last two eliminations?
The only problem with this method being they're going in with the assumption that a single ingredient is causing the issue, when it could be multiple or all of the ingredients - or even a result of poor hygiene from the person preparing these pokes.
"I'd like a poke bowl with no ingredients, and to lick your hands."
This is a strange thing to do, tell people you have a diarrhea fetish.
For Science!
It's like me trying to figure out which brand of the 12th beer courses me to be sick the day after.
Somebody needs to learn about a binary search.
(Assuming that there is exactly one ingredient causing the problem.)
"How badly do I need to poop? "
A novel application of Binary Space Partitioning
Authors: Harry S. Stool, Floe O. Welles, Lavat T. Rushdie
Funny you mention arse, because the chef is constantly scratching theirs.
Search Engine (podcast) had a 2 part episode on this that was interesting. They even did a DNA test on some samples of fish when trying to narrow down what it could be.
Pretty much every study I've seen where they DNA test fish shows that the fish was not even the type of fish it was labeled as.
