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PoliticsOne of the most outspoken members of the US Republican Party over the Epstein files has told the BBC he is "not satisfied until the survivors are satisfied".
Thomas Massie, a congressman representing Kentucky, told the Newsnight programme: "Men need to be perp-walked in handcuffs to the jail, and until we see that here in this country... we don't have a system of justice that's working."
Massie has criticised the Department of Justice (DOJ) for the number of files that it redacted or withheld after it complied with a law - co-written by Massie - to release all its material.
DOJ officials have said they have released all of their files other than certain items permitted to be exempt.
In contrast with the situation in the US, the UK was "the only place that we're seeing arrests", Massie said. He said it was "ironic that [the US] thought we could have more justice by becoming independent from Britain".
Start with the giant orange windbag. Until he goes to prison there is no justice.
The DOJ is like, "But that will make the all pedofiles and our pedo-boss look bad. Besides, the DOW is still above 40k dollars"
Next week: we can't do that, the Dow is still about 25K
This guy knows who his boss is, right?
“His boss” are the people he represents in his district.
Lol
Lmao even
Perpwalk? How about this instead: we'll put them in charge of the entire federal government and nearly all media, even the nuclear button. Better, right?
Terrible headline. Perp walks are inhumane spectacles and may prevent reintegration after punishment.
People should not be marked for life. The American sense for justice is just people getting off on cruelty.
A perp walk is not inhumane, public criminal trials are a hallmark of democracy and human rights.
In Europe we disagree. Exposing a criminals identity is illegal. You have a right to be forgotten. And you deserve no infamy. You must be forgotten.
It's about the crime, not the criminal.
And yet the criminal trials in Europe are also open to the public -- nobody on this thread said anything about after the trial until you brought it up.
Some trials are public, but the identity of the criminal is usually not.
That's why no reputable media states the full name of the criminal and they use coverings to hide their faces.
It's okay, Europe makes mistakes too.
Your point would be fine if we were talking about petty theft.
There is zero possibility of real reintegration for con artists.
No it wouldn't, dont accept their faulty premise. If someone steal a candy bar they should walk in front of a judge and it should be publicly announced wjat they did and what the punishment is, even if it's just probabtion or something.
A perp walk is a perfectly decent part of the process of holding people accountable for their crimes.
Wow defending pedos. Must be a republican
I'm with you. The American prison system needs to be entirely reformed with an emphasis on rehabilitation, education, job preparation and experience, entrepreneurial studies, etc.
Most of these people are going to be released eventually, and making them ready for reintegration into society is more important that just the passing satisfaction of harsh retribution.
I agree with you entirely. It took me a while to realize criminal rights are human rights. I was mistaking vengeance for justice for a while.
You should be perp walked for defending their reputation
I am not.
Nah. Murderous pedophiles need to be treated inhumanely, not made richer and more powerful, then get hugs from understanding liberals, "oh, poor you, pedophilia is a disease", narrative.
Only in your own head cannon.
Detracting from anyone's humanity is bad. Doesn't mean their actions shouldn't be hated.
A perp walk isn't detracting anyone's humanity, holding people accountable for their crimes is in no way anti human rights.
https://feddit.org/comment/12228209
The biggest problem around Epstein is that for Americans, actions had no consequences. NONE.
so yeah, Andrew Windsor-Mount Batten-whatever needs to be led out in public in handcuffs, taken to a holding facility, stripped naked and sprayed with delousing agent. Then we'll give him a free cotton jumpsuit and sneakers until his trial.
Italy got it spot on with it's Fascists.
This really affected party membership for quite a while.
Then prosecute them like anyone else. Fantasies of violence from the state help noone. Make the state be just and it will be good. Or advocate for vigilanteism. But not for an injust state.
This is correct on principal. You remove humanity from one group and suddenly anyone hated by the state becomes part of that group. So we shouldn't....
But I also really REALLY crave their suffering
Fair point. And in the face of systemic injustice this is a reasonable emotion.
For almost any other crime I would agree with you, but in this case I think we need the spectacle. No one should give a flying fuck about a pedophile's reintegration after a punishment. Especially not for the folks who organized, facilitated and profited from said pedophilia.
Those of us who understand and respect the American Constitution down it's tenets and principles, are so dejected that we need to see some perp walks to believe justice exists at all here.
Its all just words on paper. It's the actions and accountability of our government that make justice real. Sure it was never perfect; definitely needed lots of improvement. But without accountability, it's gone. The fabric is unwoven. I don't believe our government is hostile enough towards the pedophiles that run it right now, so these shitbirds need to make me believe again.
Human rights are for everyone. Not just for people that "deserve" them. You cannot ride yourself or others of them.
If their actions offend you and the public, prosecute and more importantly prevent them diligently.
My dude, there are like 15 people in the world that if you just straight up slaughtered, the world would be better for it. Don't pretend like that isn't the case.
Doesn't make it right.
Neither does denial and tolerance of murder and rape.
Yes.
Yes it does. These men have made a mockery of the justice system. They don’t deserve to be treated humanely.
I disagree it does. These men and their predecessors corrupted the justice system from the very beginning of the idea of justice and its creation. Calling for greater violence and humiliation begets more violence and humiliation.
Criminal rights are human rights.
I would love to be Player 2 any day of the week because I feel powerless using other avenues, still wrong. It would feel SO right though.
Most certainly does. Pull your head out of the Utopian BS.
So what, no prisons? Cause pretty sure being locked up rids a person of their human right.
But temporarily and predictably while somewhat preserving dignity. But yes. Incarceration is highly problematic but can be needed at times.
Just after we win the war that we already won on day 1.
