Don't let linux become locked down
(midwest.social)
Sunshine
Political MemesIt is now legally mandated - by shit lords and trolls of any age - to set their age to 67, 69, even 420.
You're one thousand three hundred thirty seven years old?
I'll be rounding out my eighty-thousand and eighty fifth year here in june.
Man I hate learning news from memes because it doesn't always get the full picture and I'm too stupid to know where to get the full picture.
I understand why people dislike SystemD now
As a non-American, I am not doing this. Even if it's just one extra click, I'm not going out of my way to do anything just because a handful of US States decided to pass some idiotic law. If I'm forced to spend any effort at all on this, it'll be to disable it. If some websites require me to have it enabled to function, I will just stop using them. Enough is enough with this shit.
Thank you for your solidarity with us Americans. I don't live in California, but I don't think it's less likely to affect me by virtue of not living in California.
Like 1/2 of the states are in the process of pushing almost the same law through, with almost the same language.
Do you know of any place to see which states specifically?
American here. I vote for you for president.
Yeah, I don't even know your name, but....well look what we got now. You've already shown in that one post, that you'll be a better leader than anything else we have going today. I'll take the risk. How could it possibly be any worse, ya know?
I get your sentiment, but never ask how it can get worse. It can.
I don’t see the big deal, everyone in the world was born on 1 Jan 1900, right?
Until California makes a law about providing fake birthdays. This should never have got this far.
FUCK THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Umm... I was born 1-Jan-1970 at 0:00 UTC.
@pennomi@lemmy.world @Sunshine@piefed.ca @politicalmemes@lemmy.ca
There's the big deal (already a thing in the country I exist in):
How will they force online checks using an operating system you own? You can just have the OS lie.
Besides if you’re living in a country with that level of surveillance, you should already be on a VPN regardless.
Oh, that's simple. Just have the law require all end user OSes to have government-verified ID check functionality that is out of the user's control and the integrity of it protected by Secure Boot.
Accessing any online service with an operating system capable of manipulating or bypassing the check will be considered some flavor of hacking or fraud.
Boom, done. All the privacy activists go into the slammer and Microsoft gets to sell a new version of Windows to everyone.
I genuinely feel sick to my stomach. That would completely end my life. No joke.
Yup, this is why I'm not sleeping right now!
@pennomi@lemmy.world @politicalmemes@lemmy.ca
How will they force online checks
In case of Brazil, it'd be through the full power of the corpo-state full with regulatory agencies, judiciary, financial system, and police force.
Either companies and platforms comply, or the telecommunication agency (ANATEL, Agência Nacional de Telecomunicações) would simply subpoena all Brazilian ISPs to block IP addresses and DNS entries, alongside the courts applying daily fines for disobedience shall those have any Brazilian bank accounts.
Big corps such as Google and Meta and Apple, with enough money to burn on Persona and au10tix KYC services, won't even be needed to be forced to comply: they got a fresh golden goose of tracking data!
It's the small companies and orgs who'll either: go bankrupt trying to get the KYC on their systems, cease activities altogether, geoblock Brazilian users, or going the Non Serviam way with the risk of having the wrath of the state.
As for the end user, the whole weight of this conundrum between state + big corps + cheerleading herds of complying citizens vs any company and org who dares not to comply will push them into compliance, because we live in a sick world where one must have a damn smartphone to be allowed to "live in society". Brazil heavily rely on digital payments ("Pix") and many things have been digital-only since the COVID-19 pandemics.
Dissidents such as me, who managed to convince themselves of a quasi-Luddite way of life, the item "living in society" ruled out from "living plans card", well, who knows what will happen? I got no money for them to seize because I've been long unemployed, no belongings to get auctioned, nothing I could lose, except for the reminiscent illusion of mundane freedom which is not being inside a jail yet...
just have the OS lie.
Even if the OS and browser managed to trick apps and websites with fake KYC authorization tokens, that would be illegal.
you should already be on a VPN regardless.
Before this law existed, there's precedent for past legal decisions where VPN was explicitly prohibited by Supreme Court, and people were somehow discovered using VPN (packet sniffing from ISPs, I guess) and were fined for doing so (not mere "you owe to the State": banks are subpoenaed to lock assets, and the fines get autopaid).
Also, if we zoom out and look at the forest, it's spreading worldwide. If enough countries pass their flavors of this "age validation", eventually there'll be nowhere left for a VPN to circumvent anymore. VPNs must be in some country to operate.
I mean, don't get me wrong: I'm not complying, I'm currently using an outdated Linux on an old laptop, I haven't updated for a while (thing is expected to get at the OS level) so I won't have any age check mechanism anytime soon on PC. But I know how it'll eventually get me one way (coercion by social comformity) or the other (coercion by force).
Maybe I'm exaggerating, I don't know... This world is truly depressing.
You would need an ID reader or something, but you could generate a key from scanning your ID, and have that used to authenticate on major online platforms. This is basically how most companies manage network access, so all the essential technology is widely available.
The key still identifies you wherever you go.
Yes, that is kind of the intended outcome of having a key.
Missing the point entirely.
I totally disagree with surveillance and age control. It’s total nanny state bullshit.
But that wasn’t the point of my comment. I’m drawing attention to the fact that the laws they made are stupid because they are fundamentally unenforceable nonsense, just like “age verification” techniques have been since long before computers even existed.
It's still missing the point. Of course you can just lie. Just like you can just lie on your tax returns or steal somebody's wallet. "Getting caught" is the point, not "being able to do something". The issue with the tech and the laws being in place is that suddenly lying there might become an offense. Imagine you're in court for some other bullshit and they're not just arguing that you falsified records (the age you lied about) to add some additional punishment but also might use this to attack your trustworthiness in general. Imagine them arguing that you can't be trusted with computers because you lied there, so some old fart sentences you to five years without computers or smartphones and suddenly you lost the means to earn your money.
I honestly hope you're right.
Linux grew too fast. We have all these windows kiddies defending this overreach.
Imagine being used to a centralized authority over what your computer does smh
All bots. No sane human wants this
Don't need bots once the propaganda takes a hold
Propaganda makes a lot of people insane. I know people that support this.
You mean you knew, right?
You can still know of someone and shun them.
I wouldn't downplay how many people are genuinely convinced this is a good idea.
Too fast??? It was started in like 1992. It's been the slowest growth I've ever seen! I hadn't even heard of it until 2006!
I do wonder what happens with system accounts and servers. But I know it will be a patchwork of laws so the answer will change depending on the patch of ground it is on, and solutions and none of it will work correctly.
Someone will definitely pass a law that will make it effectively impossible to legally operate a server and then be all surprised when companies threaten to move their datacenters elsewhere.
Man don't make me learn something else to start avoiding systemd. Its just so much more convenient than the alternatives.
That's exactly why we adhere to Unix philosophy.
If software does too much it's harder to replace.
OpenRC is really not that bad.
https://nosystemd.org/#alternatives
For Arch users: Artix with dinit is the easiest to switch to without getting a headache, as dinitctl commands are really similar to systemctl commands, package names are pretty much identical to Arch Linux, and AUR works (but you will have to find the dinit scripts for those AUR packages that have a system service).
Got root ? You'll be fine for quite a while.
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