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Copper is actually ~25-250X leas efficient at transferring heat than a heat pipe and convection is hundreds of times more efficient than radiation at transferring heat and the fins on a heat sink would have hundreds of times more surface area for dissipating heat all that is to say this might work but it would be orders of magnitude less efficient than a standard heat sink.
Heat pipes are fucking magic and you can't convince me otherwise
Water moving is much better at removing heat than heat pipes could ever imagine. It depends on how fast the mass of water is moving.
I'm pretty sure the way heat pipes move heat is with water funny enough
Phase changing water
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This is a lot easier than running a line out to the swimming pool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjO6OLmZB9A
Looks nice. Why they don't sell PCs with cooling like that? What are the downsides?
My guess is that will only work until it saturates with heat. Some liquid cooling setups are also like that, where the rad isn't capable of dissipating heat fast enough to prevent the whole thing from overheating, but it'll work fine for a while because the loop itself can absorb a bunch of heat before it stops being able to take any more. Then they probably blame the chip maker for running too hot even with liquid cooling when their liquid cooling setup is actually less effective than the stock cooler or their case has horrible airflow and would choke any size or number of rads. But their reservoir acts as a heat buffer, so it takes 30 mins to even realize that, but they've already concluded it works.
Copper is actually ~25-250X leas efficient at transferring heat than a heat pipe and convection is hundreds of times more efficient than radiation at transferring heat and the fins on a heat sink would have hundreds of times more surface area for dissipating heat all that is to say this might work but it would be orders of magnitude less efficient than a standard heat sink.
Weight, cost, and it's probably not effective for the long haul. The mass of a copper ingot like that will work like a heatsink, but it has a very low surface area for the energy it can absorb. So it'll heat up to a point that is uncomfortable for the CPU, then fail to radiate that energy out to the air effectively.
As a test-bench temporary heatsink, this is actually kind of inspired. No fans, to fussy clips, just stack a copper brick on the CPU, run some benchmarks, and then turn it all off.
I have a micro ATX case that itself is the cooler. Heatpipes transport the heat to the case walls and they have fins to increase surface area. It can handle up to 65 watt CPUs.
It's not produced anymore. But with all the talk of the Gabecube I've been itching to make a new build with it. Unfortunately I have neither the money or the energy.
Fanless cases are a thing, and they're neat.
I would guess that the low surface area would lead to problems. At first it would cool very well because of the huge thermal mass, but once it reaches thermal equilibrium the cooling would be quite weak.
I'd also think moving your PC will rip your CPU right off the motherboard
The trick is not to move the PC, but rather the copper block, which just happens to have a PC attached to it.
So, you're saying that putting blocks of copper on everything in a PC will automatically shed unnecessary parts, building a more efficient system?
Just run a solid copper block for maximum efficiency.
Wouldn't gold be more efficient? Can't I just fill my PC with gold doubloons? The rattling noise means it's running.
So we need more copper?
Yes! The only way to increase the surface is to build a higher tower!
how long till it reaches thermal equilibrium? maybe it can endure a full load for an hour
Your mom can endure a full… oh never mind.
You're looking at about a half hour per kilogram of copper to raise it by 50 °C with 100W of heat.
Actual delta from ambient to thermal limit will typically be a little higher than that, but so is processor wattage on mid-to-high performance CPUs, so I'm happy enough with that as a ballpark estimate.
Someone else estimated that block as 4.5kg, so you've got something close to two and a half hours of cooling from an ambient start.
I was wondering about this too, but I'm not an engineer so I would have to look up how to calculate this
Do you have any idea how expensive a solid block of copper that big is?
Would you even notice, after buying the ram and storage?
If that block is roughly 4.5cm x 4.5cm x 25cm then the volume of it is about 500cm³ which translates to 4.5kg of copper. At 11€/kg that makes about 50 euros.
Cheaper than some noctua coolers.
If this were in an enclosure, would it cause the PCB to bow over time?
Copper isn't that bad. It's not cheap exactly, but it's probably going to cost what an expensive CPU cooler already would.
Probably around $150 worth of copper there, but you'll have to spend about twice that to get it because it comes in a larger size you'll have to cut down.
Yes but you save on manufacturing.
11 euro per kilogram
Despite the cost, it's damn heavy.
and just stupid. Cooling fins of aluminum work better.
Incredibly unwieldy. Real quick estimate of volume puts that at around 1.75kg of copper, so it wouldn't be possible to mount in a vertical PC case orientation (ie the majority of consumer PC cases) without significant (expensive) modifications to both the mobo socket mount and the case, else its weight would snap the motherboard, or just slowly flex it until traces failed.
It may not even be able to be used vertically like that for very long or it will compress and damage the CPU / socket / mobo. Just as an example, the weight limit of the thermal solution (HSF/water chamber heatsink/etc) for socket LGA 1700 is 950g.
Real quick estimate of volume puts that at around 1.75kg of copper
I assume it's at least ~5 cm × 5 cm × 15 cm. Given the mass density of copper, 8.96 g/cm^3 , its mass is at least 3.36 kg.
i find your estimate to be overed
It begins with the question: How wide is the cpu?
Based on that dimension, it's approximately 3× as tall.
(if you notice the space bar, i think it’s a tiny computer)
I'd say, the copper block is ~3 USB connectors wide
i’d say about 2, @2.4 cm total then…
125 mm
Am I blind? What's that card in the PCIE slot?
This poor jpeg has aliased edges it's so scuffed. I can't tell if it's an old SSD, an old photo..or none of the above.
Looks like a PCIE to NVMe. You can see a short M.2 slot on the board, but that drive is wayyyy too big for it
Thinking those M.2-22110 meant for servers (with ECC chip?)
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Why copper? Aluminum works way better as a dissipation surface.
Copper has more mass, heat capacity, and thermal conductivity per litre.
Is aluminium actually more effective as a dissipation surface? I hadn't heard that.
Copper is better conductor but it's worse at dissipation. Do the experience yourself, heat a block of each and then touch them afterwards.
Dissipation = thermal conductivity. Copper is better in both, it's just heavier and far more expensive. Are you sure you put the same amount of energy into both blocks there? A copper heatsink can generally be much smaller than an aluminium one.
Is that not because the copper holds more heat, so stays hot for longer at the same dissipation?
Maybe you're right, but I remember than in the 2000s I've had identical cpu heatsinks in both copper/aluminum versions, and the aluminum one had better performance. And then they started to make hybrid ones, stating that the copper part was to allow rapid heat transference and the aluminum parts to improve dissipation. But maybe it was all marketing.
Aluminium is significantly cheaper, that's why they make coolers with a copper base and alu fins. It's good compromise.
Aluminium is cheaper and lighter.
This seems to suggest that the metal-air transmission is virtually identical between the two, and cites some sources: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/255731/copper-or-aluminum-heatsink
From what I have always understood, copper is technically better, but it isn't dramatically better and it is heavier and more expensive. You likely couldn't make a heatsink like the full sized Noctua's and just mount them the way we do because of the weight alone. The price would also likely be double to triple.
Technically, copper is better at heat dissipation. Aluminum is prefered because it's cheaper and lighter. For an aluminum heat sink, you could have an smaller equally performing copper heat sink. In fact, this is the case for when weight and cost isn't a priority. Some heatsinks even use a copper core to wick away heat to the rest of the aluminum heat sink.
Why is the motherboard resting on a towel??
When I work on stuff with tiny parts, it helps to do it on a towel. If you drop something, it tends not to bounce too far, things don't roll as much, etc., and it's easy to see stuff on a white towel.
I'd guess it's the anti-static bag that one of the components came in. That said, the kind of person who has a copper heatsink probably also has a load-bearing towel.
They don't want to scratch up their desk with the solder joints on the back of it? I'd normally use cardboard, but a towel probably works too 🤷
Or maybe it just has muddy paws that need toweling off 😜
OP is a hoopy frood.

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