What a contrast.

"President"

I mean, Poland has been clearly fascist for a pretty long time now, openly attacking minorities, but no one gives a shit because they are part of the EU so they are fine.

Sorry, but that's just bs...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Poland

Together with the figure of the "Polish Mother", abortion restrictions are used to encourage women to have many children. This ideology reinforces the view that women's place is in the home


From 2024, Poland also provides mandatory firearms training for pupils in primary and secondary schools


Poland is one of the most religious countries in Europe


Poland also has a significant rural population: about 40%, which is deeply conservative


According to ILGA-Europe's 2025 report, the status of LGBTQ rights in Poland is among the worst of the European Union countries

No current protections for health services and hate crimes exist

conservative president Andrzej Duda, who previously described the LGBT movement as "a foreign ideology" and comparing it to indoctrination in the Soviet Union

Poland has not implemented the contracting or recognition of same-sex unions, although it is obliged to do so by judgments of the European Court of Human Rights

In August 2020, the Polish Episcopal Conference released a document which recommended the creation of counseling centres "to help people who want to regain their sexual health and natural sexual orientation". It insists that the scientific consensus that conversion therapy is ineffective and potentially harmful to be "political correctness"

An Ipsos survey in October 2019 found that a majority of Polish men under 40 believe that "the LGBT movement and gender ideology" is the "biggest threat facing them in the 21st century"


According to a 2011 poll, 47% of Poles stated that "too many Muslims live in Poland"

Since the Muslim community in Poland is small (0.1% of the population) the situation has been described as "Islamophobia without Muslims".

On public television, guests have spoken of Muslims as "uncivilized" and a threat to "European and Christian values" and have described them as "violent": as "Jihadists", "terrorists", and "rapists".

Do you want more? There's plenty.

If Poland tried to join the EU right now it would never succeed.

The downvotes are just proving my point, for some reason people give a free pass to Poland but it's not very different from, for example, Turkiye, even though the latter is not managing to join the EU.

"clearly fascist" arguments include:

one of the most religious countries

has a significant rural population

For example abortion ban that you started with, was introduced by the previous government and was hugely unpopular.

Poland has something Turkiye doesn't, working democracy, so we got rid of that government.

You can easily find a lot of garbage that Polish people say, because we also have freedom of speech.

Abortion is still banned in most cases, just not fully illegal.

Religion and fascism go together, as the other quotes about islamophobia showed.

A rural population is fine, the quote that you conveniently truncated was about this major rural population being conservative which in other words means fascist.

If you are fine with racism, discrimination and torture of minorities as part of a "democracy" then I guess our disagreement comes from a very different definition of what democracies and fascism are.

Religion is bad because "it goes together with fascism"... Yet, Islamophobia is also bad... you attacked one religion and then attacked others for not being tolerant towards another religion. In same sentence!

being conservative which in other words means fascist.

Really? I really hope you are trolling.

racism, discrimination and torture of minorities as part of a "democracy"

You are absolutely oblivious about things you write about. You were never in Poland and after reading that utter nonsense I'm convinced you are russian troll. Or have severe brain damage. In either case I pity you. (And blocked you, no need to waste time arguing with morons)

Talk about a bad faith argument comment

He’s talking about the “no one gives a shit because they’re part of the EU” line. If you think that you haven’t been paying attention

Well did you see my list? And are there any consequences, is Poland forced to change by Europe or threatened to be kicked out? No, because no one cares. As I said, Turkiye is unable to join the EU because of things that are basically the same as Poland, but one is told that they need to improve, the other is not.

What are you talking about? The Court of Justice of the EU ruled against Poland and fined them for [~half a billion €}(https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-court-finds-poland-guilty-in-rule-of-law-dispute/). The EU started an Article 7 procedure against them and stopped it after the new government started to implement changes.

Oh, and the new government came into power through voting, I didn't know that's something "clearly fascist" countries do.

Your list was kind of shit.

The actual fascist stuff you listed was very recent, and the rest is conflating a bunch of less desirable things like religion and conservative farmers with outright fascism.

Excuse me? Turkey actively occupies half of Cyprus which is an EU member.

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