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2% from suicide !?
It used to be terrorism all the time, have they replaced that with simple homicide now? Definently needs a new war then!
Going to Iran to defend America from terrorism again this weekend according to rumours.
"Joe Boomer, 85, chronic smoker and alcoholic, dies of heart attack, none of his family were surprised." is not exactly an intresting article to read lol.
Live 85 years as a smoker and alcoholic - I will take it as a win.
Back when I had a physical newspaper I enjoyed reading the Obituaries
Exactly. People want drama so crimes are more often reported by the media.
On the one hand, I get this, what's unexpected is more interesting and newsworthy, but at the same time I do see how it creates problems. Airplane travel is much safer than cars, but people feel unsafe in planes. Part of it is because you aren't personally in control, sure, but a lot of it is definitely the availability hueristic*. Especially following things like the September 11th attacks and Malaysian Airlines planes going missing.
But a major issue with it is that it leads to us viewing things like car accidents (and heart disease and cancer) as inevitable and a mere fact of life we can't do anything about. Meanwhile whenever there is an airplane crash it's very thoroughly investigated and will likely lead to changes in regulations.
*: I may be getting the name wrong.
Fear mongering and sensatislism vs educational and beneficial programming.
How we are taught to stop terrorism and homicides, give more power to police and authority figures.
How one actually stops terrorism and homicides, better educate people and provide them with higher quality social and health services. Which ironically result in more preventative care and less deaths from the treatable diseases that are underreported.
Eat this, not that.
Another way to look at something is newsworthiness. If it's something that's super common, it isn't remarkable enough to make the news.
I don't want to live in a world where terrorism is so common it isn't even worth talking about on the news.
Yeah 5 dead from a shooting at an American school is local news. At an Australian school it's international news.
What gets our attention are mostly causes that we feel we have power over and that look spectacular.
At first sight it seems to me that the coverage being positivelly correlated with how unusual a death is and the number of people dying in a single event, would explain that graph.
I bet if we dig into the details of the Accidents class we would see a pattern were uncommon kinds of accidents and/or those with a large number of deaths ("man killed by falling crane", "plane crash") get lots of coverage whilst common kinds of accidents with few victims per event ("a car crash involving a single car") get a lot less coverage.
Yeah, it's not a conspiracy. They sell clicks, or "public interest" if you want to be generous. It's just that in doing so, they present a scary, distorted version of the world.
Yesterday I witnessed a motorcycle rear end an SUV in person. I hope the guy did not die but it looked pretty bad when it randomly happened.
I'm assuming that 40 of the 42% of homicide coverage was that one CEO.
A disproportionate amount, anyway. And then there's homicides that only get covered locally as well, because it's just some poor person.
It's not a homicide if they aren't human
Now now, they are human, just not humane.
They are also psychopaths.
Source?
Why is no one dying of old age?
Because being old doesn't kill you. It's the things associated with old age that kill you.
My wife, after I inform her Elizabeth II died :
"What did she die of?"
Me, straight faced :
"of being ~~98~~ 96 fuckin' years old"
Heart disease, cancer, etc are part of the plan. Both boring and too close to home. Terrorism and homicide are suitably scary, morally charged, and far enough removed from most people's lives to be mostly abstract fears.
Heart disease, cancer, etc are part of the plan.
exactly. they can't exactly have you all worried about the byproducts of their industries. Worry about that guy who's different, don't care about the planet we're burning
Its really bothering me that 2.1% was listed above 2.2% at the suicide covid bars.
The 2.1 was 2.19 truncated.
The 2.2 was 2.18 rounded.
Actually?
I have no idea, unfortunately
1% homicide is still 3.4 million people.
Natural causes will never be news, except when a major medical breakthrough occurs. It's simply not interesting to the population.
1% of deaths, not the total population.
Dog bites man is not news. Man bites dog is news.
Yes. The combined effect is maybe not great, though. A news source that just covers everything in proportion to some measure of impact would actually be neat.
In other news: The obese Tom from next door got a heart attack and died. The 84-year-old grandma from across the street is still in hospital, and the cancer is getting worse. Stay tuned to find out if she is still alive tomorrow.
Wouldn't it be the other way around? Or am I missing something?
It threw me off too. They're saying dogs tend to bite people. It's not really a story. Now if someone bit a dog, there might be something to talk about.
Sorry in advance for the political topic, but it's directly related to the info in the OP.
Is the bar for causes of death roughly similar across social classes? As in: are rich/poor people more/less likely to die from certain causes than others? I'm asking because I'm wondering if news coverage isn't a bit closer to "reasons why rich people die" than to "reasons why your typical person dies" there (in USA). Just a hypothesis, mind you.
Poor people get sick faster, generally speaking and in the West. It's the same diseases, though.
In the third world, tropical diseases, diseases of poor sanitation and infant mortality are disproportionately huge killers. On the other hand, if you're talking about a rainforest tribe, they might be in top shape until they're ancient, because once they survive childhood they're basically living the lifestyle humans were designed for.
Considering that the top reasons for death in the US are related to, more or less, how well you treat your body - as in exercise, diet - there will absolutely be data on poorer people being affected more. If you don't have enough money for a good diet or sports, naturally your body's health will suffer as a result.
Alzheimer and cancer, depending on the cancer, maybe not so much.
i agree different cancers have different statistics, but the most common cancer would be skin cancer, BCC , 2nd would be SCC and then melanoma.
Going off the US again, then, skin cancer would probably be more of a thing if you don't have the money to go see a doctor and get treatment for it
Not an american but i would think that not many rich people actually get murdered, unfortunately. Private security and someone wealthy is generally more valuable alive than dead if you are looking for ransom or such.
That reminds me, there's this anti-capitalist, anti-war children's film by Satyajit Ray called Goopy Gyne Bagha Byne. In it, there's a song that says that the king is sad and afraid since he has so much money. He tries to cope by punishing others, but it never makes him happy. The only solution offered was to let go of all his riches, and that finally made him happy.
It was for children, so I understand why sadness was used instead of fear. But they do need to be afraid.
As an aside, I think that movie had a decent impact in the communist revolution that happened in my state in the 70-80s. Ray has made some of the greatest movies in the history of cinema, but his children's films still hold a dear place in the hearts of many generations of Bengalis.
violence on rich, white is often in the news blasted more than someone who is a minority
Not an american but i would think that not many rich people actually get murdered, unfortunately.
Would you say that out loud around other people?
Often and loudly.
Fuck yes. Kill the rich.
What piece of shit wouldn't?
Why murder people when you can just take their ahit and leave then destitute?
I'm rich, what you gonna do to me, peasant?
Because we're at war?
If we had the means to remove all their wealth and stop them from ever amassing any again sure there's no need for the death penalty at that point. But we're not there, we're in the frontlines of a class war where it's us vs them.
If you're really rich (I doubt it) you could give up your excess wealth and live a comfortable life with what you have remaining.
You're a terminally online, no wonder you're so bitter. With that much free time you must have no job and live solely on government handouts.
Thanks for the downvotes!
Sure thing troll.
Those would be very interesting graphs to see. There is definitely a massive difference between the graph for rich and poor. One window into that is the difference in longevity between the rich and poor. The rich have a ~90 year lifespan.
On the left: shit happens
On the right: humans are doing stupid shit
I think the OP is trying to express that the New York times is distorting the news. Perhaps true, but humans doing stupid shit will always sell a newspaper.
It doesn't have to be an accusation of distortion. Can also just be a reminder that every day reality is not what we read in the paper or see in movies.
It seems to me that the right's answer to cancer and heart disease is that shit happens. The left wants universal healthcare and public funding of medical research.
Politically you are probably right. New York Times? A business that likely wishes to sell more subscriptions.
Yeah, I also don't think writing an article every time someone dies from cancer or a heart attack would benefit anyone.
I feel like hearing more kids dying with ass cancer stories and heart disease deaths and people dying from preventable diseases stories would probably shift people away from focusing just on guns and homicide and maybe actually cause people to care about science and solving those other things.
Not that those are good to not focus on, just that there's already an ongoing anti vs pro gun conversation going and at least if we talk about something else that's proportional causing deaths... well, I doubt there are many "pro-cancer" people out there (but I know it's non-zero).
I guess I just want some positive momentum on something at this point.
If every single one of the estimated 10,000 deaths per year due to the polution from diesel vehicles in Europe was individually reported in the Press, we would have far stronger legislation against that kind of polution and the heads of the companies involved in the Diesel Scandal would be rotting in jail rather than some scapegoat engineer.
(I'm using an European example because that's the data for deaths I remember, but I bet it's the same or worse in the US).
It's weird how the NYT laments preventable deaths.
Ah yes, cardiovascular disease, which famously has no major risk factors. /s
That's not why they cover this stuff, they're not activists.
politics equals more views on MSM, and newspapers. homicides/terrorism is part of that, so is drugs. just like how they dont really report on climate change, or disease.
Climate change headlines do come through sometimes, when a grim new milestone is reached, or something is discovered that was worse than expected.
Where's the rest of the infographic?
Isn't this normal for news? The whole dog bites man, man bites dog thing?
Yeah, the Big question is: does the skewed coverage actually cause people to skew in their beliefs? I.e. would the average American think they are more likely to die from homicide than cancer or heart disease? I doubt they do.
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Why is COVID (2.2%) below Suicide (2.1%) on the graph on the left? Everything else is in decending order of occurance
Fucking great visual.
Would be interesting to see it in a stacked bar graph with actual va. represented side by side to give scale to the disproportionism.
It’d be neat to see some other news outlets as well. I’m sure there’s a massive difference.
I doubt it.
NGL.. let's be real here.
Your average New York Joe Blowhole who's 67, obese, diabetic and smoked since he was 15 isn't going to be as newsworthy a story as a murder is, the day he drops dead of a heart attack in his living room.
Outside of the obit a family member puts in the paper, why would the newspapers report on such an everyday death?
Natural causes of death, are ho-hum.
The newspapers report on the things that aren't the run-of-the-mill, occurrences.
True, but/and let’s consider something like a more conservative outlet (relative to NYT) in 2023. Who’s president? What issues are getting talked up pre-election? I’m guessing we’ll see something like drugs and homicide taking a massive chunk of the news relative to what the NYT reported. Even regional news will differ — ever turn on the daytime news in Las Vegas? It’s all car chases and interviews with shooting witnesses. You’d think nothing else happened in the world. Just an interesting experiment.
Oh Yeah, to that, definitely. I always get a chuckle out of the Fox TV stations across the country that will have local horror stories.. Sometimes absolutely lurid in detail.
The reporting vogue seems to be Families Gone Bad in the Upper Midwest..
most of the MSMs are pretty much the same. FOX isnt a true news source.
most of them barely mentions the other categories on the left column.
I have a really hard time with drug overdose being it's own thing. That sounds a lot like ignoring the large number of intentional overdoses that happen.
I've had various family members die from all of the most common things in the top 2/3 of the causes of death. It sucks. But I wouldn't want there to be a story about it in the NY Times about it... because why would they do that?
They're journalists not doctors, treating heart disease and cancer isn't their jobs and it's not all that interesting to write about.
If they reported on heart disease as much as terrorism and homicide you might have things like properly funded healthcare and high quality food regulations, instead you get militarised police.
What the public perceives as a danger is more important than what flashy thing sells.
In all fairness, the unusual sells a lot better than the usual as news, so it makes sense that newsmedia goes for the former rather than the latter - any newspaper that reports based on prevalence and ignores the shock-effect of an event simply doesn't get read and goes bankrupt.
So in this specifically, as I see it the problem isn't that the newsmedia choses to report the unusual but that very few people have been taught to beware of one's natural falacy of confusing exposure (how much something is talked about) with actual impact - you can very visibly see it in how people react to governments implementing authoritarian anti-Terrorism measures, were the people who confuse exposure with impact actually support very authoritarian measures to supposedly combat Terrorism whilst the people who do not and instead actual check what's the impact of it tend to be against authoritarian measures because they trade a lot of everybody's Freedom for supposedly combating something which in most countries is has a lower death rate than slipping on a bathtub.
As I see it, were the press fails to uphold Journalistic Integrity is in refraining from reporting on certain unusuals, for example political corruption and certain actions of the ultra-wealthy (whilst choosing to report on other actions of them - see: celebrity culture).
IMHO the dynamic we see in this graphic which is really about impactful vs newsworth is pretty natural, what's not natural is the selectivity in reporting of different but equally newsworthy events.
Having family members die of these things doesn't make people aware heart disease exist? It's only if it's reported in the New York Times reports on it that makes people aware of things?
And no it's not all that flashy when my grandfather dies of a heart attack at the age of 87. That's part of your stats on the common causes of death, right? It's sad for those that knew him, but do you expect a story about an octogenarian dying of a heart attack to make the front page of the NY Times? What would that accomplish more than an obituary stating people should give to a charity in lieu of flowers? Maybe with some more funding to medical research my grandfather could've lived to 88 or 89! But the damn NY Times decided it was more important to report on someone dying in the prime of their life instead of elderly people dying. Those insensitive bastards!
Not everyone has the privilege of their family members making it to their 80s or later. Heart disease, diabetes, cancer. I've had family members die in their 40s, 50s, 60s, but almost never later than 70s.
Why does it matter if journalists report on this stuff more? Because a crazy amount of people are dying from these top causes, and they are not just "shit that happens." They have causes, and they are preventable.
What about shootings? I don't believe that shootings doesn't make this chart for a second.
Homicides, surely.

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