I totally agree, too much is too much.
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People TwitterAnd yes, I know people will say block keywords and communities, but people don't understand some communities have rules and people must follow them.
This got reported as being not twitter or equal. I'm kind of on the fence about this. I see their point, but the original was twitter. Please tell me what you think in the comments, not just downvote or upvote. This will guide me in the future if we have any more posts like this.
People like this need to accept and understand that we don't want to talk about US politics everywhere, all the time.
It probably shouldn't be allowed in the future, but given that it has > 300 up-votes and is only now spurring a finer definition of the rule, I think it warrants an exception. If OP reads this, they now know to post this kinda thing in a different community in the future. But removing this particular post seems a little harsh.
Edit: This is an awesome approach to moderation btw. People like you make lemmy great, thank you!
It should be in YPTB, but they’ll just use that as more proof of their “outrage”.
I don't see the original. All I see are Lemmy related images and that, to me, doesn't belong here.
the original was twitter
As in, the post was originally on Twitter? I'm not sure what this means
I am not sure how this changes the "the post was against the states rules which are there for a reason and the mod was the absolute most gentle about it" facts.
Did I get the facts wrong?
Yes, that's what I mean. It was on a twitter like site.
Sounds fine to me, if this is a picture of a Twitter-like site then I don't really see an issue
Safe spaces is how we got far right echo chambers to begin with.
Do not shield the weak minded from the troubles of society at large. Ignorance is bliss, and I do not want the ignorant to feel anything like "bliss".
I disagree, fascism is everyone's problem, and ignoring it only gives it power.
Yes but having spaces where we do not talk about the scum of the earth is a totally different thing from ignoring the problem.
Safe spaces are EXACTLY what people in the far right want. Not for anything they dont like, like Trans acceptance or long term ecological rehabilitation.
But absolutely 100% "hey I'm tired of seeing the hellscape of my own creation so if we could limit any troublesome 'politics' or 'social agenda' discussion that would be great."
So no, creating a 'safe space' is exactly the same thing as ignoring the problem. Out of sight, out of mind, right?
Yeah I'm not convinced it is. We know a big part of the issue is voter apathy, and if you aren't furious then you aren't paying attention. For you a politics free space might not enable apathy, but it very clearly does for many, many other people.
If people are being force-fed horrors at every turn, even in their happy little hobby place then that will feed apathy. People can only care for so much for so long before they get burnt out and don’t have the energy to care for others or themselves anymore. In which case, many people will stop caring for others simply so they have the mental and emotional resources to care for themselves
As somebody who just came here from Reddit, I find all of these communities refreshingly free of American politics.
On a side note, welcome.
If you haven't figured this out already and your front page feels stale, then switch around to "Hot," "Top 6 Hours" or "Active." Active is the default and feels stale on topics.
I like "scaled"
has a very mild run-in with one singular community's admin "That's it, I'm done with the entire platform !"
And a respectful and considerate encounter at that
Are they both the same person?
seems like a lot of people want strict rules and enforcement. bots can do some things like word substitutions and other obvious code-able things. human intervention takes longer. most people can scroll on to posts more to their liking. if there is no community that meets your standards, it's a sign you need to start your own community and mod the way you want. i tend to not post in strictly modded groups. i'm not that pedantic and like groups where down-votes and comments do most of the moderation. spammers get removed soon enough.
Also keyword blocking does fuck-all for screenshots of microblog posts to tangentially related communities... Every day I come across several US politics posts even with me deliberately not subscribing to any political or US-specific communities, and only looking at my subscriptions. (Admittedly reddit is much worse at this, with generic subs like r/AskReddit and r/LeopardsAteMyFace being inundated with Trump crap.)
FYI, c/leoopardsatemyface is an OG political community.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/leopards-eating-peoples-faces-party
thanks, that was a bad example then :D
then instead: r/nottheonion and r/clevercomebacks
1930s: dae get tired of hearing about this hitler guy?
It's OK to want to take a break from politics.
There's also plenty of spaces on lemmy to discuss US politics. Not every space needs to accept posts like that.
Agreed, I subscribe to a bunch of political stuff.....but it is nice to take a mental health moment and laugh at somehting.
My filters in Thunder:
- Trump
- Epstein
- ICE agent
- micropenis
Suggestions are welcome.
DHS
Musk
Mass shooting Peace Nobel prise Israël Greenland
Time, place, audience. Daft_ish thinks Lemmy needs a reminder that Alex Pretti was murdered in broad daylight? Imagining them walking up to Greta Thunberg while she's eating a vegan soup for dinner and reminding her about how awful commercial fishing is
Am I going mad or are the 2 stitched together images not from the same person? The comments are acting like they are though.
Top part = a mod deleting a post about American politics
Bottom part = a comment from a Lemmy person saying he has had enough with American politics on Lemmy.
They both agree? Right?
It was taken with voyager, that's how voyager app takes photo of comment + post l.
So the bottom image is showing a comment on a post titled "Fuck Lemmy, i'm done" which I believe contained the top image. im assuming it was posted by the person that received the mod removal message in top image. the second image is mostly focusing on a comment from that post thread from another Lemmy user that disagrees with the OP's take.
I struggle with words sometimes - idk if I made that more confusing lol.
I can't listen to the radio or watch any broadcast media any longer because Trump politics will not shut the fuck up.
It has invaded every bit of american discourse and separating the two will be nigh impossible until the source of the disturbance is remedied. it is literally impossible as an american right now not to be about this crisis.
so yeah i get it. but the elephant in the room is conducting the score, and we are literally drowning with only social media as a place to expunge.
block me at
https://reddthat.com/c/7735_41st_ave_se_lacey_wa
and a large portion of my conflagrations towards media will be less visible.
otherwise i apologize for it when i contribute. and i hope that moderation like this helps.
Daft_ish has got a real problem if they're that outraged by the mod's response. I've seen plenty of powertriping arseholes to be mad at in my time, but this isn't it.
US politics, including about the ICE murders, is spoken about more than enough across the English speaking internet.
I know as much about current US politics as I do my own country's politics, because you can't get away from it without blocking most posts on here.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Which is to say that some of us would just like to have a space to NOT talk or think about politics, including US politics.
Inb4: "You're just privileged enough not to have to think about it."
No, I just want a brief goddamn respite every once in a while, everybody deserves that. Just because I want to be able to escape into a fantasy world sometimes doesn't mean that I never talk about politics either, it's like cheating on your diet, just let me have a fucking cookie every now and again ffs!
This 100%. I care about politics. I deeply care about what's happening with our country.
But I've had to pare down the places where I see it. I've stopped watching Last Week Tonight because it makes me feel so powerless on what I have control over. I absolutely love the show but I just....can't anymore.
I'm acting locally, participating in whatever protests I can, calling and emailing my reps as often as I can.
But man...the right's "flood the zone" works effectively and I can't just keep burning out.
Lemmyshitposts doesn't have a rule against political posts and I fucking hate it. Shitposts are sacred. A shitpost is just silly, irreverent humor. That's it. The moment you bring an agenda into that space it changes into something else.
There was a while there where I was really into wholesome memes. People really don’t get what wholesome is. I started getting legitimately upset at what people thought was appropriate there so I had to block the communities.
A few years ago on reddit I tried to put together a little multireddit of wholesome and positive-news subs, but so many of the posts were Orphan Crushing Machine material that I gave up :/
I remember that. It's seems to have toned down a little but, like, no Lemmy, a murder revenge fantasy isn't a wholesome meme. Jfc
I think that's been dealt with since in case you want to check again.
I have an ever growing list of blocked words on here, all in a futile attempt to limit how much US shit finds its insidious way into my feed. I really, really shouldn't fucking have to mute half the dictionary, just to be able to access the internet without getting pissed off.
I feel bad for those Americans who are suffering, and stand in solidarity with them. But man, it's relentless. I know far too much about US politics.
I'm in the same position and I agree.
Ignores the don't X here sign then gets mad when they aren't allowed to X
The issue with a "no politics" rule though is that everything is political. It ends up just being the mods removing what they want to remove and letting what they want to see stay.
"It's so unfair!" ... as if the identical thing is not being done to literally everyone else all the time. Toddler logic.
A nuance that people often miss about lemmy.ml's authoritarian policies - whereby they ban people from communities they've never even seen before - is not that it is done, but that when it is it cites a hidden set of rules that are nowhere ever written down. Little kid logic, where the rules mean whatever they feel like in that moment, and if you don't like it then feel free to try to stop them.
Some people here are pushing for fascist Reddit 2.0, others for free-speech Voat, but most of us just want to get along somewhere in the middle without too much bother:-P.
You mean these hidden rules at the top of the front page?
Those hidden rules, shown openly and have working links. So hidden. I heard McDonald's hides the Big Mac from the public too.
The rules only matter if the admins adhere to them and enforces them consistently.
My recollection is that Voat took a turn into being fascist Reddit 2.0 pretty quickly itself.
Took about two seconds.
I won't say all rules are valid or right, but this one just makes sense (in contrast to rules of some other communities, which outright ban certain opinions). Sometimes you don't want to hear about all the doom and gloom, and for many people, it's not good for their mental health to hear about it all the time. They know what's happening, they need some time off.
Yeah, sometimes on the old place, you woukd seeposts removed for being political, on like, a news sub.
Like WTF, basically all polotocs literally is news, though not all news is political.
I already block so many keywords and communities here. It's hard to keep up.
Thank you mods for helping keep some places free of US politics.
Amen!!
Not saying mod was wrong but… It’s weird how we define politics.
Like, if portals started randomly appearing all over the Earth, spawning little goblins that like to turn human bodies inside-out, that would pretty clearly not be politics — but only for like 2 months.
After a while, the political parties would settle on their positions (probably with one of them calling it a hoax), and from that point forward saying “I can’t believe people are okay with the inside-out goblins” will be labeled “political”.
Which I guess is basically how fascism wins so easily. As long as it’s impolite to acknowledge the horrors of the world, it’s okay for them to continue.
Still, though - c/showerthoughts?
Like, in all seriousness, I don't think lack of ability to flood a Lemmy community, least of all the one in question, is going to have any effect on the matter. Like, at all.
It appears the post was removed, so the system worked, right?
I mean, I think about the horros.of the world.in the shower.
If literal hell on earth was happening, and I was spending most of my real world time dealing with it, and there was nowhere I could go to escape from it and people exclusively talked about it all of the time, I would kill myself. We are allowed to stop talking about it sometimes.
We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
Using it as an analogy, how does going to a bunch of kids who can barely take care of themselves and asking them to save the world actually help?
The people on fediverse already know about the horrors, most are against the horrors and are trying to help. They don't need more requests or more prodding with a stick. They need more thanks for standing up instead, if anything.
The target audience is the wide world beyond this place. The ones that can help but don't. The ones in charge or the ones putting them in charge.
A successful social interaction requires selecting the right audience and the correct circumstances. And a lot of the communities here ain't either.
We're not the ones commiting the horrors of the world, nor are we the ones able to stop them. It's not our job, duty or obligation to be confronted by them at all times, in all aspects of our lives.
This was the attitude of millions of Americans.
I don’t disagree with you at all, you didn’t do this, you aren’t responsible for it but it’s here nonetheless. My kiddo is recovering from surgery right now, it wasn’t his fault, he didn’t ask for it, but if we didn’t do something about it, he would have had terrible repercussions from it. Did we have to do it, no, we could have just noted it and hoped it would take care of itself. Was it unfair, absolutely. But he’s got meds to take, and even though he didn’t ask for any of this, he’s doing what he needs to to get better.
I’m truly sorry, as someone from one of the places fucking up the world. I too did not ask for this, and I’ve been trying as hard as I can to prevent and now stop this. The horrors will continue, it’s happening in places all across the world, I hope it doesn’t arrive for you.
Typical troll bullshit, go away
The problem with cute animals now isn’t politics, it’s AI. I don’t want to watch ANY AI animals. Just the thought of being tricked into watching even 1/4 of a vid that ends up being AI, or giving it $$$ via views, has destroyed /awww and all the rest.
I hate this timeline.
I post in a lot of animal communities, and while I cannot speak for others, I do not knowingly upload AI. I even started checking with AI detectors, which is not something I’ve had to do even a year ago.
I think the rest of Lemmy (at least the core users) are very anti-AI and, like me, might only upload it by accident. So I assume good intent until proven otherwise.
What makes me feel better about Lemmy is knowing that no one is making money off of me. Even if I do end up falling for some AI - there are no influencers making a buck off it unlike on IG and FB and TikTok.
what is happening in the US is of course a serious matter and I am happy we have places, communities etc. that keep on spreading awareness about such topics.
This said, like other folks have already mentioned, there are also places where you want to take a gasp of air and just have a nice laugh.
Awareness on these topics is undoubtedly important but done so in the right places.
the comment of the moderator to reason the deletion of the political post is more than reasonable and done wonderfully and it's sad to see the unfortunate response of this user, playing almost victim.
Let us continue to talk about the politics around the world and spread information and awareness BUT done in a way that allows others to also have a moment to take a breath in places where they momentarily don't want to be bombarded with x bad thing happening in y place and how this leads to z
Want to post whatever the fuck you want? Join my community: It's a Shit World! (Rules are still in place)
It wasn't even a shower thought.
Guys, are we really surprised that America colonised the English-speaking Internet?
That being said. Is there a community to post thoughts that may be political in nature? Pretty much all of the communities I’ve seen (politics, etc) only allow links to articles in their rules.
I guess you have to make a mastodon post of your thought, then screenshot it to /c/political_memes
edit: Sorry, can't just export that list as clickable links.
I'd be interested in seeing a politicaldiscussions community that would allow for that. I just don't have the time or energy to mod something like that or create and maintain a set of rules that would keep the discussions fair. I'd be hard pressed to find a way to prevent brigading and encourage positive discourse, even where I disagree.
I'm glad that those interested or in many cases, obsessed with politics have a place to discuss it but I have no interest in seeing it so In conjunction with instance and community blocking, I use the filters to block any new "hot" political word or phrase that I find my feed inundated with. Once the core block list is built, adding something new is only required every other week or so to keep the feed politics-free.
The instance and community blocks do the majority of the heavy lifting but a filter list is an absolute necessity to get rid of the users that insist on injecting politics into every community they find.
Cute animal pictures inevitably leads to conversations like:
- Pitbulls should be banned!
- Cats are an invasive species that are terrible for the environment and you shouldn't let them outside
- Vegan arguments against pets
- Vegan arguments against feeding pets meat
Politics is just turning life into a legal model, the way physics turns the universe into a mathematical model. To ban politics is to ban life itself. It is incredibly naive to think you can do so.
Maybe you could ban US-cdntric discussion, but even that seems like a fool's errand. We live in a globally connected world and the US is one of the most dominant forces in that world. Like it or not, US politics impacts the entire planet.
I think the reason people do this is partially because if their post is allowed to remain that affirms to them that their opinions are so commonplace (at least in some circles) that it is considered apolitical. Being allowed to bend the rules makes them feel less alone
Looks like someone needs a "crying-in-a-fetal-position-while-showering-thoughts" community.
Just like reddit I guess
All mod actions are harmful
Only people who abuse the rules feel the need to say this.
https://lemmy.world/comment/22187363
Not shocking at all.
No. Stop being a toxic fuck wit
Spin your own instance. Fully unmoderated as you wish. Enjoy your defederations and lack of users other than trolls and bots, oh and the visit from the gov when someone starts spewing csam onto it.
How insane the dichotomous stupidity. I am not at all saying "do not moderate".
"All actions are harmful" is a statement of empathy and far more nuances than you understand. Your lack of fundamental logic skills are sad.
What the OP posted is extremely flawed logic. There is nothing partisan about the death of Alex Pretti. Wanting to talk about his death is something bipartisan and any halfwit should be able to discern as much if they take the time to think things through. This post is showing mob populism and a lack of morals and ethics that are super dangerous and idiotic. The actions taken against the post were deeply flawed, and the hate here is bigoted tribalistic nonsense. This is turning into a worthless echo chamber and it is driving out people with intellectual balance and half decent logic skills. How pathetic.
I reported this post to the mods, you’re about to receive harmful action!
