US Democrats: proud of deportations
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Dems are the "good cop" to the republican "bad cop". They both want to fuck you over in the exact same way. One just pretends to be nice to you.
And people yell at me for saying we need to light the Dems on fire with the GOP...
brag đ
No but you don't understand, suddenly now that the media is telling me how bad ICE is, I care about this. When a blue president is in office the media doesn't talk about it, so I just assume everything is okay again.
Not talking about things = progress!
Under any previous administration they at the very least respected the law. This administration has given them carte blanche to ignore the law and infringe on the rights of citizens (who they aren't even supposed to be interacting with). More importantly they weren't fucking murdering citizens in the streets back then either. This ICE is not the ICE of 2 years ago, not by a long shot. The media is barely even saying how bad ICE is because they fear authoritarian backlash. The world is saying it because we have eyes and ears.
My concerns aren't that they are doing it in an unlawful way, my concern is that they are doing it period.
Inserting a layer of bureaucracy into the process doesn't make it in anyway better or okay.
Itâs because itâs not about that itâs about terrorizing the population to support Shitler and turd Reich
Comrade Clinton keeps leaking messages intended for the party's sponsors out where horrified voters can hear
Horrified? Most voters, dem or rep, have the exact same mentality around immigration. One is just slightly less ashamed of expressing that mentality than the other.
Yeah, I never understood why these establishment corporate Democrats respond to Republican criticism by acting more like Republicans. Those psychos have big mouths, but that doesn't mean that what comes out is worthy of attention.
Democrats need to learn to say Shut The Fuck Up and Get The Fuck Out, when MAGAs start whining, NOT listen to them.
Yeah, I never understood why these establishment corporate Democrats respond to Republican criticism by acting more like Republicans.
They act more like republicans in response to any sensory input.
They have the same donors as the Republicans.
And they go to the same pedo islands. One big club etc etc
Look at this neo-liberals. This is why those on the left hate you just as much as the conservatives and MAGAt. When it gets down to brass tacks, your leaders are barely better than they are. We're tired of arguing with you as much as them as well.
They're still courting the mythical "Republican centrist" that just needs a little push to vote Democrat. They've learned nothing.
That mythical Republican centrist does exist, they already vote democrat
They are not courting as much as speaking what they think
The Republican centrist lives in Meinongs jungle together with the married bachelor and the last unicorn. They sit around a round square table having tea every eighth day of the week.
This is why Democrats keep losing.
Most of the laws that are allowing trump to pull this immigration shit were passed by Democratic administrations. Bidens big strategy was to mock Trump for not deporting as many people as he did.
But yeah, is the leftists fault that brown people aren't voting for Democrats.
Democrats lose: "It was the left's fault for not voting for us! We need to be more conservative in our policies!"
Democrats win: "We did this without the left, we have no need to pass legislation that appeals to them."
She is also a war criminal
without putting children into detention camps
Unfortunately this is not true. Obama's administration put families in detention camps and separated them. It was not used with such fervor, but it was wrong then, too
We protested this. There were court cases, and the Flores Settlement Agreement essentially ended the policy. But it took public outrage to enact change.
I see you unaware of how the word 'and' functions in a sentence.
Absolutely fair, but I did delete my comment about 30 seconds after making it after noticing the mistake.
Pepperidge Farm remembers:
Janet Reno did the right thing.
Didn't they send him back to Cuba? I forget how that all played out.
Yes, where last I read, is still with his father as an adult, happy and productive.
That's good to hear
Until the bombs start dropping or they starve, I guess.
The Dems moving their messaging to the right. Overton Window in action. Being proud of the number of lives stopped from being lived is a new low for the DNC.
Yup. They were just better at being shit. Or nation has no right to deport anyone from the Americas. If someone is fleeing their nation, the US is probably the reason why in the first place.
Freedom of movement should be a universal human right
Borders should be controlled and monitored so much as to stop human trafficking as well as nefarious intentions.
They're also the ones who gave us that soulless ghoul Tom Homan.
From the person who brought you âPokemon Go to the pollsââŚ
Way to miss the point. Deportation is not always bad. You can have it in a targeted and humane â and righteous â way without terrorizing US citizens and invading American cities and without funding a masked Gestapo apparatus.
But you were hating that woman first before reading her statement. Please proceed.
Fucking yikes.
The only problem you have with fascism is sometimes it accidentally hurts the good people huh
Look, it's okay if an innocent person is killed from the death penalty. We just need to teach the real murderers that much harder. /s
This is not even in the same universe as what I said.
No but I understand you painting me in that light makes it easier to see the world in black and white and therefore easier to dismiss what I actually said.
Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just... letting them apply for paperwork easier?
You might wanna check out what immigration looks like on the easiest setting: https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/06/doge-ball/
This is a photo of my second O-1 ("Alien of Extraordinary Ability") visa application. It's 800 pages long:
The next one was 1200 pages long.
Not to demerit this person but O-1 (or EB1) is not the easiest setting at all, they need to demonstrate their "extraordinary ability", hence the many reports he needs to provide. Easiest setting would be employment based EB2 or EB3
Nowhere did I argue that immigration is easy or that the PedoNazis havenât made it extremely difficult so they can criminalize and target minorities.
People are eager to attribute things to my comment without actually reading the comment. What gives?
You are stupid and you are wrong. Just to preempt it because I know it's coming: this is not an ad hominem. Youâre not wrong because youâre stupid, you just happen to be both.
Who do you think laid the foundations for the ICE Gestapo? Was it perhaps the âDeporter-in-Chiefâ and his party, who repeatedly approved massive funding increases, expanded detention capacity, normalized localâfederal cooperation, and stifled every serious attempt to dismantle the apparatus once it existed?
Hillary bragging about deportation numbers isnât some abstract endorsement of âtargeted and humaneâ enforcement. Sheâs boasting about participation in a system that already relied on mass detention, racial profiling, family separation through removal, and routine due-process abuse. The only difference is that under Obama and Clinton it was wrapped in technocratic language and better PR.
Your chauvinist ass is treating racially targeted state violence as acceptable so long as itâs quiet, bureaucratic, and doesnât visibly impact white citizens or comfortable middle-class communities. Obama-era deportations didnât feel like âGestapo tacticsâ to you because they were overwhelmingly inflicted on undocumented and non-white migrants, out of sight and off camera. Raids, cages, deportation flights, and shattered families were already happening. You just didnât care, because it wasnât framed as a crisis for white Americans.
It's peak liberal chauvinism. Migrant lives are disposable, but the moment enforcement becomes louder or uglier, suddenly itâs a problem.
Also it is objectively, morally and in every other conceivable way correct to hate the Clinton's, Obama, the Bushes and Reagan alongside basically every high level American politician. They are a cabal of pedophiles who have immiserated the world on an industrial scale for decades.
The fact that you canât process a basic argument about institutional continuity yet feel confident calling someone else stupid is wild. Kids were already in cages, detention capacity was already expanded, and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Department of Homeland Security were getting pumped with funding year after year under Obama, you think that had zero relationship to what came after? Infrastructure doesnât materialize out of thin air just because you discovered the word âfascismâ in 2017. Pretending the machinery was harmless until someone you dislike used it more aggressively just makes you look like you have the memory of a goldfish and no object permanence. Or does it only count when white people get hurt?
Smh people just can't stand to see a girlboss fascist (who had slaves in the 1980s) succeed
You're a clown
What the fuck. Are you daft? This confused and made me laugh. A rare combination.
Slaves. In the 1980s. Arkansas governor's mansion. Look it up.
Not always bad? Wtf is that nazi crap?
Kicking someone to a place where they don't want to / cannot live is not bad?
Even if you kick someone out for "right" reasons (which is already not proven to exist) it is still bad, that is the point, if it was something nice it would not be used as a punishment.
The only right reasons: They're a human trafficker and you're kicking them out into the middle of the oceans.
Are you insane? Maybe I need to explain at a kindergarten level on the internet to people like you.
-Immigration should be allowed and is allowed.
-ICE in its current format should not exist.
-People are âillegalâ because the current administration has made it hard to emigrate through normal channels.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone thatâs a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republicĺn party) should not be deprorted?
Do you think we should arrest them and give them due process and then deport them if warranted OR do you think we should do whatever the fuck it is the current assholes are doing?
You donât own anger. I also feel it and hate this fucking current state my country exists within.
Pretending Iâm a (checks your comment) âNaziâ because I pointed to this crazy politicianâs words being misconstrued to fit the .ml screeching is surely an answer to the question with which I started this reply.
With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone thatâs a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republicĺn party) should not be deprorted?
Why should they be deported? You're begging the question that deportation is the solution to those problems in the first place. You're also saying this like the point of ICE was ever to catch violent criminals, when it has always been an agency that exists to catch people who haven't otherwise been processed by the criminal justice system. The violent criminals who happen to be immigrants are already caught and processed by the regular cops who are tasked with dealing with those crimes.
After what she did to Libya, why wouldn't I?
Thatâs fair. Hillary. Minton is a piece of shit politician but she is not even close to the other pieces of shit that are actually in the Epstein Class.
Itâs important to hold politicians accountable. However, twisting their words to fit our argument against fascism is simply playing their game. Doesnât make us better and we sure as hell donât win by doing it.
In the context of US imperialism, yes, deportation is always bad. This country has no right to close its borders.
I have you tagged as .ml moron. I see you lived up to that.
Guess I forgot to block you before.
The US public are quite happy with the way things are going at present and even if the Democratic leadership getting back in would do anything they will use the very same mechanisms that have been put in place over the many years of little changes here and there.
If the majority of US citizens where not happy with how things where and whatâs happening the government would be in complete shutdown with real strikes from every state ⌠but it is not. This is the real United States.
Hopefully this doesnât blow your mind but I agree with you.
"humane concentration camps" Here, right here, is how the anti-vegan discourse creeps into fascism. This might as well have been a vegetarian talking about how their eggs "don't require chick killing".
This is a stupid metaphor that doesnât match anything I said.
Yeah but Bill Clinton began the huge increase in police. Where that and combination of 9/11 has created this vast paramilitarized police force we are still dealing with today. The current iteration of which is the ICE power grab happening.
I guess not doubling down where there is significant tensions is a slight positive difference.
Don't forget Biden was for the increase in police spending and for making student loan payments harder to discharge through bankruptcy as well as allowing them to be predatory.
