Free Palestine Rule
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Draconic NEO to 
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It disgusts and angers me that people in Palestine are fearing for their lives and aren't free to move throughout their country or even feel safe in their own homes. Yet ultra privileged pieces of shit who probably never had to live with anywhere near such fear in their lives not only justify their suffering. They argue against those fighting to end it. And they argue for respectability politics when they are being inherently disrespectful to the people suffering right now.
Fuck Zionists!
A bit of context for the users that are not aware:
The poster wants the dbzero instance defaderated from the feddit.org instance with the argument that everyone on there is a "zionist troll". He is also power tripping badly rn, wanting to convince Lemmy.ml to do the same.
My best interpretation of "Fuck your feelings" is that he is mad people got banned from feddit.org for saying things like this to its users:
"You should be lined up against a wall and shot"
"Kill yourself"
"Don't worry you'll get the wall"
So I disagree: I'm not a Zionist Troll and those sentences go beyond "Fuck your feelings" and should get you banned no matter the subject.
I also don't see any feddit users going around spreading genocide denial or other "zionistic trolling" that would warrant a defedaration, but just in case I'm the one who actually needs a reality check:
Do you (users of blahaj) have that impression of feddit users?
One of the feddit instance admins has been involved with instance muckraking a bit for the last month or so over on sh.itjust.works, so there's definitely some kind of back and forth going on here.
Thank you.
And I consider these calls to defederation to be a good example of the problems fediverse has at its core. Defederation should be last resort, against instances either fully dedicated to or promoting illegal content, or just unmoderated or spammy.
Suggesting some whole instance should be defederated because they dared to ban people for obnoxious hate speech you've cited definitely does not make feddit look like the bad ones here whatsoever. That is my opinion here.
Your best interpretation is missing the mark, as I explained myself. "Fuck your feelings" is targeted at any of the assholes these days who claim activists for Palestine are "modern day antisemites" for advocating against Palestine's occupation by Israel, while subsequently they themselves do not have to live in poverty, fear of being blown up, or even lacking the freedom to move freely. They are privilaged people and are advocating against the basic rights of people who don't even know if they will possibly die violently tomorrow.
These privileged people absolutely can fuck themselves for even choosing to argue at all.
Also lets be clear:
with the argument that everyone on there is a “zionist troll”
I didn't say everyone on feddit is a Zionist troll. I said a lot of people there are Zionist trolls and that feddit allows them. This is well known and Feddit is up front that they allow Zionism and Zionist apologia on Feddit.
In additon you seem to be reciting a digested interpretation of the post which omits the other examples of Zionist apologia on Feddit. And I believe these omissions to be made in bad faith. Since:
Doesn't look so great and is harder to turn away as "Just being trolls" and this post is even less deniable. But for some reason these are never talked about. Probably because they paint a way different picture even with the context of the threads they came from.
I didn't say everyone on feddit is a Zionist troll.
You: "[...]And also serves as a warning to any admins using fediseer that they might want to block Feddit if they don't wish to deal with Zionists trolls."
If you don't think everyone is a zionist troll acting in bad faith on other instances, then why call for the defederation of the whole instance?
Surely there has to be ample examples of users from feddit.org pushing their Zionist agenda on dbzero?
Or is your complaint that a comment like this:
"Fuck off you piece of trash. European weapons are found in Sudan and Palestine. You've been backing genocide since before the creation of the terrorist state of Israel. [...]".
gets removed from feddit? Really that's your argument?
(For the other screenshot the reason for the removal of the comment is literally "baseless accusation of Zionism". And the last one I don't really understand the context of but would side more likely with the person that got the comment removed, since I also dislike Büttner.)
The thing is though: That is all far from Zionist Trolling.
I'm wondering what exactly stops you from going there and calling their users genocide enablers simply because they are Germans?
Is it really necessary to defed an instance because you're not allowed to call them Nazis and pieces of shit on their own space without getting banned? I'm not arguing in bad faith, I'm seriously getting the impression that some users go to feddit only to use the most abrasive language they can think of, get banned and then use it as a "gotcha, I knew it!".
You: “[…]And also serves as a warning to any admins using fediseer that they might want to block Feddit if they don’t wish to deal with Zionists trolls.”
Yes a large majority of Feddit users are Zionist trolls or apologists, and Feddit explicitly allows them to be there. This is not the same thing as saying all feddit users are trolls.
If you don’t think everyone is a zionist troll acting in bad faith on other instances, then why call for the defederation of the whole instance?
Because when an instance allows and even accepts and elevates Zionist garbage and goes against anti-Zionism and antifascism the instance itself is deciding to endorse these views, and those who feel that is problematic should ban the instance from their own spaces. In addition the handling of Feddit's own administration to the current saga has been atrocious, beyond unprofessional. And an instance managed that poorly is a prime canidate for defederation.
gets removed from feddit? Really that’s your argument?
See I knew you would take the bait. You conviently ignore or dismiss all the others and even Feddit's own thread on the issue, which by the way is a piss poor way of dealing with censures.
I’m wondering what exactly stops you from going there and calling their users genocide enablers simply because they are Germans?
Well aside from the fact that I wish to have nothing to do with Feddit or the trolls who prop it up (referring to the lovely harassment individual(s?) have been sending my way over the past few days) I call people Zionists on the merit of their behavior, not their nationality. A German instance is the focus right now because it was their admin who came here to spout Zionist apologia, and it was their users who continued in the thread. And it is one of their users having this argument with me right now. So no, it's not based on nationality, it's based on being or not being a Zionist. This seems like a piss poor attempt at bad-jacketing and it is shameful.
Who knew the people who like to defend Zionist instances are bad faith people? Next you'll tell me they support the banning of people who disagree that Israel is doing a good thing...
Abolish Pissrael
Agreed. Free Palestine!
But Hmmm, does golden rule number one not apply once you get off of dbzero?
This is blahaj, i'm pretty sure our rules are pretty easy to find.
We're normally pretty chill, but seriously fuck zionists.
Oh, its a bit of a dig, since OP is posting this high on defederating from feddit over "being too zionist", when they actually meant "we hate when ban our users for being straight up insulting assholes".
Sorry, I shouldn't be stirring fediverse drama.
Wait... blahaj has defederated from feddit? Jpst ootl, not wanting to stir something up.
dbzero did. Or I think it did. I saw the vote thread and it looked fairly unanimous.
Hasn't finished yet unfortunately, Still has 6 days left. Really hoping it passes because we need to wash our hand of them. They are beyond bad news.
No they haven't and aren't going to (yet), they are banning certain feddit.org communities (IDK what it actually means to "ban a community", though).
Source: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728
"they" from the link are db0 though, not blahaj. I didn't find any possibly controversial community bans in blahaj's modlog if I checked correctly.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I guess I just assumed they were talking about db0 because it makes sense in context. Hope the link I included cleared that up either way.
Blahaj is in agreement when it comes to Zionists. Fuck Zionists.
Funny, I don't get half of what is posted here. What is dbzero for example? Doesn't matter much though, Israel is a fuck up. Fucking fascists. I wonder... Israel got established because of a fascist madman and now they became the madman themselves...
Something that both Israel and the U.S.A. have in common is that both have been militarily dominant for so long that they have grown to believe that they can use the military as a universal tool to solve all of their problems.
(I feel the need to point out that I once knew some Israeli Buddhists, and they were not at all happy with what their country is doing, so it is important to remember that the country is not a monolith.)
dbzer0 is an anarchist piracy-themed server.
Ngl I thought that this was the flag of Venezuela for a bit and was about to leave a very angry comment down here
That would be the leftist-version of posting "God bless America 🇱🇷"
From the river to the sea. If you live in Israel, you're Palestinian.
If you live in the U.S.A., are you Native American?
Palestinian can be a nationality
If you live in upstate New York, are you Mohican?
Free Palestine? I'll take it!
*goes to the nearest payphone and dials a number
"Hello, Israel? I may have something you want. But it's gonna cost ya!"
Sorry if this joke is in bad spirit. I really wish I could do more than just donating to their relief funds.
This sounds really hostile. There are probably ways to get people to feel empathy for Palestinians rather than having a go at them for their assumed point of view - which psychologically makes them more likely to tie the belief to their identity, if they do believe it, which actually makes it harder for them to change their mind.
The real problem is in groups, humans aren't designed to view people from different groups and communities as people deserving of moral value.
This post isn't targeted at the ones who mean well but just don't understand what's happening. This post is targeted at the asshole neoliberals screeing "modern day antisemite" at pro-palestine activists like Greta Thunberg.
Those are the people who's feeings can fuck right off.
When someone give a lie then I post evidence that it is a lie then the day after the user repest the same lies it is useless to keep trying to convince him
If someone doesn't feel empathy for Palestinians after we all saw tens of thousands of children get massacred for the crime of not being Israeli then they were never gonna be convinced through kind words. Also that second paragraph just isn't true. Plenty of people, I might even argue that the majority of people, view Palestinians as "deserving of moral value" despite most of us not being Palestinian.
fuck convincing, if you need convincing to figure out mass murdering babies is bad, then my efforts are better spent kicking you out than convincing you.
