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my kids have grown up with my adblocked version of the internet, when they connect to other internet thats not a filtered feed they get annoyed by ads in their games and on their videos
I tolerate ads (to a point) if it's a free service. If I have to pay to use, the product should have no ads.
I don’t have a hostile relationship with ads because I block them all.
Ad-blocking is a property right. I have every right to control what my device does or does not display, by definition of ownership. Conversely, advertisers or other parties attempting to colonize my device by forcing it to display something against my (the owner's) will is a hostile act that violates my rights.
Except we are beginning to not own what we own. The computer is yours, the software is just licensed, and they are trying to take everything away from us, from ovens to washing machines, they want to make it all subscription, spying on us, and serving us ads. We don't have the right to repair the products when we break, and it's a federal felony to "break" any sort of digital lock on a device, and I think to change it's programming too.
That said, it's a moot point as of yet, because while websites forced me to whitelist their sites to use them when I had adblock, I was told about ublockorigin, and I see no ads, and the sites can't tell I am using it.
I used to think anti-consumerism was a lot more popular. It's a significant disconnect from how I thought people are. Apparently I took more media related courses in high school and university than most people do.
One thing that continued to confuse me is how tech cultures are unrepentantly consumer capitalists. The earlier times of the world wide web was very counter-culture. So it's been an unending source of befuddlement how tech nerds have been deep-throating the adtech boot.
Pacified by $$$ signs. Counter culture doesn't pay for Bezos next yacht.
Some people like to say that nobody's immune to advertising. Maybe so, but there are definitely some of us who aren't as affected by it. When most ads you see are for things you'd never buy anyway, all the crap kind of blends together.
For me, no amount of fast food ads, car ads, vacation ads, etc. are going to have any meaningful effect. I already don't buy fast food, don't purchase new cars (and if I'm shopping used, there are certain criteria that matter far more than a brand or dealership), and am way too poor to take a vacation. Yet, the ads persist.
Even if I weren't muting and skipping them at every chance, you can't get blood from a stone. End stage capitalism, man. Can't spend money I don't have!
This may be a hot take here but I do not actually hate the concept of "paying money to promote a product or service". However, in practice I can hardly think of an advertising method that I find tolerable in the slightest due to the manipulation tactics. When you look at vintage photos advertising is usually some hand painted sign on the side of a bus stop that says "Try Zuckerman's Flour!" I don't hate that, but we also don't have that.
"Hey this thing is here" and "have this problem try this" are useful enough that even without paid ads people make that content.
The lifestyle manipulation, feeding unfounded fears, biases, anxieties, and rage for almost anyone reason is evil to me.
100% agree
Back in the good-ish days of reddit, they had ads that I actually appreciated. They were clearly labeled as ads and had a different color, were at the top of the feed only, so once you scrolled past the first one you were done, and we're essentially just sticky promoted posts, so they had comment sections.
You could find honest reviews of the products in the ads. Shills we're identified and down voted into oblivion, so the real shit tended to land on top. It encouraged advertisers who actually had quality products on offer and who understood their audience. They were the only online ads that ever led directly to me buying a product.
I hate ads but I'm now having to consider running ads for a Kickstarter campaign and don't know how to feel.
Failing that, the game will need to be ad-supported. Even worse.
Even cutting down on everything life is too expensive to make much without caving somewhere.
I just hope I can make them unobtrusive and short and cause as little disturbance as possible.
Advertisement makes me want that product even less.
People say this but, if advertising didn't work, companies would have stopped paying for ads long time ago. It works for them, we view ads and then we are willing to pay more for a product that is worth less; it's this simple.
The only solution for us is to avoid ads at all cost.
The worse the product is, the more desperate they get to shove it in your face. Good products don't need to pay others to pretend it's good, you just find out via word-of-mouth or free trials
I was thinking about this just the other day. There's a popular market in my home state, one I've been going to since childhood. It's a single store, not a chain, and it's almost always packed. I've never seen nor heard a single ad for it in my life. Naturally, that makes me like the place even more.
Yep I actively avoid companies that inundate me. I've switched insurance companies because of it (local agent got me much better rates too).
So you're telling me gaico doesn't save as much on car insurance?
I don't do any of those things, because my devices block them before they ever reach me.
Yep. One must move beyond an "I hate you and I hope you die" relationship with ads, to a "I don't think about you at all" relationship with ads. Regardless of how many fits Google throws about ublock, one can always do VPN/DNS type filtering. I've honestly almost forgotten ads exist.
There's some tech blog/news site (can't recall the name right now) that tries to shame me into turning off my ad blocker and viewing their ads with an extra pop up
"Hey! We noticed your browser isn't displaying ads. Can you..."
HAHA NO
What do you mean fits about ublock?
I had to download it off the internet and not the play store on both my phone and computer, but it worked, still works great, I see about zero ads and it blocks a lot of pages entirely.
Got a samsung smart TV that had ads in the menu bar. I bought the thing, why ads. Learn pihole and reuse of old galaxy s7. block Samsung. then firestick. then buy server space to download movies and TV shows.
I got so upset at ads native in TV 6 years ago I hoist the flag.
If you have to react to advertising you're already doing it wrong. If it's able to reach you on your hardware in any form, you've already failed.
You're not wrong. But as you said yourself, this only applies to your own hardware. Some of us do engage in this weird thing called "going outside", with some taking it as far as not only going there to touch grass, but also meet other people (gross, I know).
In these situations, even I, an individual who has
- a private e-mail that is exactly that: private (through aliases and strict protocols as to who gets the root address)
- a physical mailbox mostly clean of ads because advertisers either do not get my address in the first place, or they get a friendly letter telling them where to shove their catalogues
- adblocker plugins in every browser
- hosts-based blocking on top of that and
- a network-wide DNS-based adblocker just for good measure,
even I, builder, king and prisoner of this privacy fortress, am exposed to ads when I occasionally leave it.
I see ads when my kid asks me to read out to him the contents of that colourful banner above the parking lot.
I see ads when I watch cable TV with my parents and they just let the ad break wash over them like a jovial stream of diarrhea.
I see ads when I go shopping and I cannot focus on my own thoughts because only a few metres away there's an ad screen loudly announcing the technological marvels of Buddy's Fully-automatic Butt Crack Scratcher to the world.
In these situations, I really feel the contents of that OP. I feel the brazen attempt to steal my attention when all I want is to be present. I feel the insult to my intelligence because some twat in marketing decided I'm unable to or unworthy of making my own decisions. And I feel the need to quell this frivolous invasion of my time and headspace.
And that's why, in these situations, I take the liberty to turn off the shop's TV while I'm there. I take my parent's remote, mute the ad diarrhea and strike up a conversation. And I promise the kiddo to read him something proper once we get home, but not one of those stupid ads.
(We recently pulled up in front of another giant ad banner, and the little guy went: "Dad, that's just another one of those stupid ads, right?" Imagine how proud dad was, seeing that another system-wide adblocker had been installed...)
Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
Well said all around. I've had almost the exact same thoughts. Good TED talk.
Not just personal mind poison, but societal poison too. Most of our media companies are just ad businesses with whatever they portray as their main products as window dressing. Meta, Google, NYT, all TV networks, even NPR is increasingly funded by ads. I was hopeful in the shift to paid streaming services this might change, and it did sort of, for a while, but increasingly they too are turning to ads.
Not just personal mind poison, but societal poison too.
i came to realize this when when my home built router died a few months ago.
it was based on pfsense and i had setup publicly shared advertisement blocking; so i hadn't see any ad at all for years.
i became annoyed when i started seeing them after the router died and then i actively became angry when i was bombarded by them while watching tv as i was visiting family, yet they didn't think anything was wrong with watching the same mcdonalds advertisement 500x in a single hour.
that shit has an impact on your psyche whether you know right away or not.
Yup. For me it was when I went on vacation with my family. Tried to enjoy a movie in the evening after a day out and my god. Ads every literal 7 minutes of movie. How the fuck anyone can deal with that is beyond me.
I try to keep my TV clear of as many ads as I can and mute the ones I can't. When that happens my arcade machine calls me to it
I also make a mental note to not buy products that have intrusive ads. There are always alternative brands.
Also, I go out of my way to get all my gas from the one station near me that doesn't show loud ass video ads everytime I get gas.
advertising is just propaganda without a cause
The cause is to separate you from your money and time. To reinforce and promote capital as the ultimate gatekeepers.
yeah but it's not made by the people the propaganda works for. they're just cogs. normal propaganda is made by the people championing the cause in question.
If you work for an advertising agency, you know that your job is to separate people from their money. They celebrate this. They have awards for this. It’s the whole purpose of their job.
idk about other languages, but in Portuguese it's literally the same word
I'm surprised the corpos haven't pushed for a new word with less baggage. That's exactly the sort of thing they do when you don't reign them in
We don't have any advertisements on our platform but there are some occasional commercial breaks
Maybe because is the same fucking thing.
Brain r ape. I do not consent.
advertising is forcing you to pay with your time and attention. I started hating all kinds of ads when I first flew with Ryanair. There aren’t headphones big enough to withstand two and a half hours of uninterrupted bullshit
If you want to actively shit on them, there is AdNauseum, which is a fork of uBlock Origin but in addition to blocking the ads, it clicks on absolutely everything, sending fake signals. Polluting their database is costing them money and they have to deal with all the noise.
Not for everyone, but definitely an active hostility towards these fucks.
Do you know if AdNauseum actively merges in new uBlock Origin changes, or is it fully forked?
That seems like it opens the door to a lot of security issues. Part of the reason to use uBlock is that ads are a known threat vector.
All clicks are performed in an isolated sandbox separate from the user area (basically imagine the click register signal going out, but nothing more).
What if you have a multi layered ad blocking setup where you’re using ublock origin and pi.hole and a VPN with blocking?
The multiple layers of redundancy would likely clash with Adnauseum, yeah. Although that probably is just wasted compute - you may only need one or two of those solutions to have effective adblocking (uBlock for supported browsers, pi.hole for devices unable to have uBlock installed) rather than all 3 at once.
Well I’m not gonna bother turning off any of the layers when I’m out and about. Like, my laptop still needs ublock when I’m not at home. And the vpn is just for certain use cases.
If you set up tailscale, you can connect your laptop to your home network and have the pi-hole everywhere.
I've never had it actually collect an ad
Except it still rewards the site for hosting ads in the first place
Site gets paid and I get the content I want. Only one losing is the advertiser, which is a good thing in my book
As someone who works in marketing - they will tote these clicks as a great success and continue to do what they are doing, maybe even more so, but will be distraught by the lack of follow through when it comes to sales. I guess if it happened long enough, And on a big enough scale, they might eventually give up but it would take years
Didn't Louis Rossmann say they conversion rate when they briefly ran repair shop ads was less than 2% or something similar? I think he referred to it when talking about using adblock and donating/buying merch for your favorite creators instead.
It's a cute idea, but they would just incorporate some amount of false clicks into their metrics.
Yeah they can probably just ignore your entire profile because it's gives no useful insight, and that's the point.
I almost never watch you tube anymore because of this
I use Firefox with Ublock Origin on Android, and if I watch youtube in the browser, it filters pretty much all ads. Sometimes I get one at the start of a video, but closing the tab and starting again has got rid of them so far 👍
One day I need to share a screenshot of how youtube looks on Firefox after a few tweeks. I've used Ublock Origin to block everything I didn't like. It's literally just the player, description, the comments and a link to the settings and my subscriptions.
It's actually shocking when I see unfiltered youtube on someone's stream.
You can try invidious instances like yewtu.be
Invidious is an alternative front end for youtube that allows you to watch videos without ads or other tracking. And it's self hostable. But the public instances work just fine - I actually have issues with YouTube stalling constantly, I assume because of my ad/script blockers. But going to yewtu.be/watch?v=(youtube video code) allows me to watch in HD with zero ads or interruptions.
Youtube does try to fight it, so it occasionally will break, but just like Ublock, Invidious has talented people on the team fighting back.
There's also a firefox extension for auto redirect: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/invidious-redirect-2/
For some reason invidious never works for me, i just get errors and it doesn't load, but FreeTube works great.
There have (especially lately) been a lot of times when it goes down.
My understanding is that Youtube has been changing the way they present or stream videos. I'm not familiar with the technical aspects, really, but Invidious is actively working on the issues.
For me, when I try to use it, it's down maybe 10-20% if the time, but occasionally for longer stretches at once. Not a perfect solution, but another tool you can use to avoid Youtube directly
All advertising is abuse.
I will happily leaf through the adverts in my gardening and cannabis magazines.
The case with advertisers is that there used to be a covenant between the advertiser and the viewer where the advertiser gave the viewer a jingle or song or funny scenario and the viewer would be entertained to watch the advertisement. This covenant has been broken by the advertiser. They no longer think that they have to offer you anything for your time . A simple pop-up or banner or an obfuscated page is sufficient to divert you from your task in exchange for nothing but inconvenience. Instead of manipulating people with metrics, advertisers might want to get back to that covenant.
All ads are non consensual and designed to get your attention. So we put them in places like on giant boards along highways. Very cool, very safe.
There's a giant, glowing, animated LED billboard along a main road near my house that had a PSA about distracted driving on it the other day. It made me angry.
Yeahhhh that kind of on the face irony would absolutely bug me too
Nice point if view. Ironically we live in times when minding others boundaries is almost common sense. Abusive behavior gets public contempt. But everyone is just accepting manipulative, malicious and intrusive ads.
Yet another reason we need to move away from cars. Since the distraction is likely not going away, we need to minimize the safety/distraction issue.
(Goddamn we need so much high speed rail, and yesterday)
If you don't think you can do away with billboards I don't see how you'd think you could get people to stop using cars. Especially with how many things get delievered door to door these days. You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic. I don't see changing that being any easier than getting rid of billboards and other highly intrusive ads.
You could put every commuter on trains and the roads would still have traffic.
True, just one more lane, right?
I understand that cars serve a purpose. But trains and buses move orders of magnitude more people than cars could ever dream. With a properly functioning transit system (including the aforementioned high speed rails) traffic would clear up (because traffic did6n't happen to you, you are traffic), and fewer distracted operators would be on the road.
And in removing those people from operating vehicles, the distraction of a billboard, and the subsequent potential accidents, are mitigated.
And yes we also need to get rid of billboards.
Advertising is one of the most prolific environmental pollutants of economic activity, and needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking.
I moved to Linux, use Freetube, LineageOS on the phone, listen all day to internet radios from the command line, browser with uBlock add on and it's been years since I saw or listened an ad.
I would like to know more about this Internet radio command line thingy
It's a script that I made some years ago. Give it executable permission and you can search (e.g. streema-cli jazz) play and save radio stations. I uses mpv. It loads saved stations when run with no arguments.
Try https://radio.garden/visit/boston-ma/m9daGUqC or for TV https://tvgarden.net/watch-live/
Have a look at FMHY
Daaaaaamn, thanks for tv garden link
Ditto!
Until, you know, you went outside.
The eternal pestilence of physical advertising. Our world will not truly be clean until Linux purges the sins of marketing from this Earth.
Incidentally, you might be interested in Cidade Limpa
Would that be the law everywhere.
Same, glad to hear there are others who found the path free from these parasites :)
I actively avoid products and services that are advertised to me.
Almost drove off with the gas cap and door open on my car cause I was doing my best to ignore the pump blasting some shit advertisement about some shit product I don't want and wouldn't buy. Wife caught it before I could drive off, but still, I will never voluntarily watch any form of ad. I loathe this world.
Mute button is on the right of the screen, second from the top.
Fucking hate those gas pump ads.
Not every screen has buttons. The ones by me all don't.
Oh dang. That's fucking bullshit. Around here they all have buttons. Wow. I hate capitalism
Yup, it fucking blows. I can't even find the speakers on the ones by me, I think they're behind the screen.
I grew up with every internet ad being likely hostile, you didn’t click any of them. It kinda stuck with me.
But also they went way overboard. If it’s a site funded by advertising and there was just a simple banner at the top or something then fine, I’d just ignore it still but whatever. But everything is so obnoxious now, so fuck ‘em.
I'm so hostile about advertising my son has picked up the habit.
It blows my mind that some people on my team were excited to watch the commercials during the Super Bowl.
I live my life in a way that minimizes the advertising I'm exposed to, and some people are just mainlining that garbage.
I think there is an American ritual aspect to it. I hate football and never watch it other than the super bowl. I've always just watched it for the funny ads, halftime show, and social gathering aspect. There is nostalgia for the 90s-00s where funny Superbowl ads became cultural touchstones, and early "memes" that people would quote and talk about the rest of the year if not more. Though honestly, it feels like the mojo is gone. The ads rarely seem as funny as they used to be. Or maybe we are just so inundated with internet ads and the lightspeed meme cycle that they simply can't draw the same level of cultural relevance they once did.
Yah but the ads during the Super Bowl are usually interesting and fun and I don't mind them.
Which begs the question, why aren't all ads fun and interesting? I've seen some YT channels make them this way and it makes them far more palletable.
you felt that the big brother ad for the ring cameras was interesting and fun?
Did I say "every ad"?
Fun and Interesting ads are actually the worst ones, because they get you to associate pleasant feelings with their product/service/brand, which dilutes your ability to make rational, objective choices about them. That's one of the ways that they are manipulating you.
I mean, it blows my mind that people were excited to watch the Super Bowl at all. The advertisements are often the best part, given that the game itself is so mired in interruptions - often to deliberately increase the amount of air time for ads.
I actively go out of my way to not buy anything that annoyingly advertises to me
Advertising shits in your brain.
Let's get rid of it.
I don't see them anymore.
I bet they take the mute button off the remote on the next chromecast update.
Yeah I'm done with these companies man, if you want us to buy your wares don't fucking shit on the planet and hijack the PEOPLE'S government. If they wanna think of us as numbers, make the numbers scary.
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VdMjqcjMVTc
Advertising is a threat to your resources.
That’s right, refuse this pollution for the senses to rob your time.
Die advertising, just die.
They call me the Fastest Mute in the West
You guys have ads ? On what ?
i have an actively hostile relationship with ads but i don't see a reason to try and justify it. Ads are bad. -pretty simple.
Someone should tell this poor guy about adblockers.
I rarely see any ad because I don't consume "regular" media.
But I don't mind funny or plain informative ads. The latter are non-existant though, the former rare.
But what I truly despise is this cheap stupid shit that tries to manipulate me in the most trivial ways, so that I actually feel insulted by them. Why do they take me for a dumb fuck? Whenever I see such an ad, I boycott the company/product. Just go fuck yourself.
True but at the same time entire businesses are built on advertising and wouldn't exist without it. All your favorite YouTubers, virtually all internet published media, etc.
Well too bad for the advertisers cause I don’t see any of what they’re spending money on
Such a small share of ad-revenue goes to creators it's not worth it. You lose in wasting time, getting your brain turned to mush and getting manipulated by the ads. It costs less to support the creators directly.
I just wish there were easier ways to do so. Something decentralised with all the creators where I could fix an amount per month to spend on content creation and getting it split between what I appreciated.
Your business model is not my problem.
Especially when plenty of profitable services add this shit anyway.
Your problem is, as I stated, that they no longer exist.
I'm old enough to remember when network television didn't cut important scenes from shows in order to show me commercials.
If these businesses are getting so much efficiency from laying off their employees, why do they need increasingly more advertising?
I doubt there are enough of us who block (when it is even possible) to seriously affect revenue.
Also, if they can break their contract with me to pay for a service with no commercials and force me to watch them anyway, I have no compunctions with denying them the extra profit.
That's all entirely dependent on what business you're referring to.
Oh no
Anyway
HaHa
If they can’t exist without ads then it’s time to die
Great, wave goodbye to all your favorite publications.
Oh no!
OH YEAH
Don’t forget; sports events. Even the Olympics don’t exist without ads. Adds rule the world (unfortunately). It gets problematic when your privacy gets compromised.
Sporting events existed for thousands of years before advertising—don’t mistake current conditions for necessary ones.
Yeah.. The classical "it has always been like that" when "always" means "in the past 10y". What is 10y compared to the thousands of years we existed as a society?
Sports would be better without ads. Less money in the industry, less corruption, less over paid players, less private jets. More passion.
My husband was watching old basketball games a few weeks back, even as late as 2004, and the differences in advertising is wild, as in, its not present in the older games we grew up with.
Hell, I tuned into the Rocket Leauge tournament recently, and shut if off as soon as I saw progressive insurance on the ball. You can't escape it.
And yet the (modern) Olympics existed for decades without ads. You’ve been tricked into thinking they’re necessary. They are not. Life would exist just fine without them.
I watched the Superbowl on a Sky Sports stream from the UK. No ads, they just cut to talking to people on the field.
