Europe’s $24 Trillion Breakup With Visa and Mastercard Has Begun
(europeanbusinessmagazine.com)
Lugh to 
Futurology
Can Canada join in?
Let's fucking GO! Moar! MOAR!
We! Don't! Need! The US!
Would be really cool to see it somehow integrated with India's RuPay, our alternative to Mastercard and Visa. RuPay has been pretty successful domestically lately, especially with support for UPI. International payments are supported via the Discover network but coverage isn't great because Discover isn't widely accepted.
It's been interesting to see just how far ahead India's consumer banking is. I can't think of any country that comes close. It's also interesting to see Europe moving in roughly the same direction. With the FTA and all, I hope these attempts at sovereignty turn into new ways to collaborate, rather than just isolate. Cooperation without dependence would be cool.
YES! I used to work for the payment card industry. They're parasites! They serve no real purpose anymore in the age of the Internet. There's no reason for them to exist.
They're still charging transaction fees that were created in the time when everything had to be processed by hand.
Transaction fees should not exist!
Imagine a trans-European payment processor that has no fees in Europe but pays for itself by charging a lower fee than Visa and Mastercard in non-European countries.
It would undermine foreign processors and give the EU a huge economic boost.
ETA: This would be another lever of soft power by offering zero fees to other countries.
They could further build goodwill by allowing you to buy porn games without getting debanked
Heck yeah. Base it Amsterdam’s red light district.
I mean... If I could get a credit card that only charged me like 6%, I don't care what country it's from, if jump on board! Speaking and an in debt United Statesian.
likely need some sort of floor for fees so it does not actually cost money but it could be fractions of a percent. To get us people they would really need to charge the same fees to vendors and then give practically it all back as cash back.
It could be a government owned corporation with a maximum fee structure determined by the EU Parliament.
The details need to be worked out but for sovereignty and power projection this feels like it has legs. And it would be a lot better than yet another privately owned processor.
It will, literally, print money.
(well not literally)
It will print influence and power projection instead
Same, the whole industry is nothing but a grift.
Middlemen all the way down.
Is there an option for us folks in the US? I moved my bank from one of the major US banks to a local credit union but their cards are still backed by Visa.
The problem isn't necessarily the branding on the cards. The transaction networks that carry the data from point-of-sale (merchants), to transaction processing facilities, to banks and back, are the problem. That infrastructure is run by Visa, MC, etc.
They also have a defacto cartel, not only due to owning the networks, but by complying with the very complex credit card compliance regulations. Combined with vendor lock-in for merchants and others, this creates a space that makes it obscenely hard for anyone else to join in. Just ask the folks over at Discover about that.
I so wish I could open a european bank account. I think they reason its not allowed is because they kowtow to us money laundering complaints. wish they would open up freedom accounts or something.
Please do it faster. And make it possible to run on degoogled devices. Then we can decouple even more!
Ok, so how do we assist in the destruction of visa, mastercard, am.express, paypal, etc? I would be delighted to use something else.
Wero is a private-sector initiative; the digital euro is public money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wero_(payment)
... stay tuned !
~~My latest bank card isn't a Visa or MasterCard.~~
Pack it up fellas. My card is owned by MasterCard anyway. :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maestro_(debit_card)
Interesting! What is it?
Mastro.
Fuck ..... They are a subsidiary of MasterCard....
I mean isn’t the Maestro logo just a color variation of the MasterCard one? That should have been the biggest clue. And the name Maestro is just a play on Master.
The clues were always there....
Oh, of course! Is that not US? Where is it from?
This is awesome news!
I have a suggestion for a name for the system - "World"
