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History MemesFactual historians : and she wasn’t even that sexy
Yeah but have you considered the what type of golden pussy got both Julius Ceasar and Mark Anthony hooked?
SEXY LANGUAGES
"Historians."
That is not what historians say at all. That is what US "documentaries" says, and Hollywood, but historians have never said that.
I don't think I've ever read the word 'sexy' in my entire curriculum.
It's also been the pop cultural understanding of her since Virgil.
Mainly because it wasn't historically accurate*
I know that's not the point, but a women than speaks nine languages and is powerful and independent is what my wet dreams are made from.
That's suspected to be part of why she was seen as so sexy. Rather than just being some conventionally hot chick, she was incredibly smart, cunning, charismatic, fun, and powerful. Julius Caesar and Mark Antony both seemed to see her as a kindred spirit and found her power and intelligence attractive.
And I find that too to be quite interesting because Rome of this time was a time and place of fairly strong cultural misogyny when it came to women in power. And yet two of the most powerful men in Rome of the time clearly were more than fine with her being powerful.
That’s suspected to be part of why she was seen as so sexy. Rather than just being some conventionally hot chick, she was incredibly smart, cunning, charismatic, fun, and powerful. Julius Caesar and Mark Antony both seemed to see her as a kindred spirit and found her power and intelligence attractive.
"Mark Antony"
"Kindred spirit"
Caesar was definitely cultured af, and his attraction to Cleopatra was definitely predicated at least in part by the fact that she was an extremely well-educated and cultured woman... but Mark Antony was acknowledged by everyone as... cut from cruder cloth, shall we say? He was famously athletic and handsome, and a partyboy, though.
Caesar-Cleopatra = Power Couple
Antony-Cleopatra = Himbo and Girlboss :p
And I find that too to be quite interesting because Rome of this time was a time and place of fairly strong cultural misogyny when it came to women in power. And yet two of the most powerful men in Rome of the time clearly were more than fine with her being powerful.
Funny enough, cultural chauvinism might be a factor here over gender chauvinism. The Romans didn't mind other peoples being ruled by women, just like they didn't mind other peoples being ruled by monarchs. It was only ROMANS who were NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, to be ruled by women OR monarchs!
At several points in Rome's history, they back or even install female monarchs to rule over non-Romans when the female monarch is the choice best suited to Roman interests.
Of course, Romans also struggled with their own misogyny to some degree - I'm reminded of the jurist Gaius, a fairly conservative legal writer, musing that there was no actual, practical reason for laws restricting women's legal rights in the non-political sphere, as women were manifestly intellectual equals. On the other hand, there are other Roman jurists in the same period who squawked that it was RIGHT and NATURAL for women to have reduced rights because they WEREN'T intellectual equals.
All societies, I suppose, struggle with their own prejudices. It's always interesting when you see it, though.
Wait till you hear she was also hot
Tbf also women that are more akin to tators are also very dreamy
What's tators, precious?
'Po-ta-toes, The Gaffer's delight, and rare good ballast for an empty belly. But you won't find any, so you needn't look. But be good Sméagol and fetch me some herbs, and I'll think better of you. What's more, if you turn over a new leaf, and keep it turned, I'll cook you some taters one of these days. I will: fried fish and chips served by S. Gamgee. You couldn't say no to that.'
I needed to see a Sam Gamgee quote in the wild today. Thank you.
I can't for the life of me have any inkling of what you're trying to say.
I think someone is confusing Hollywood with historians, which is unsurprising in the anglosphere...
Powerful women are very sexy
What are your thoughts on Margaret Thatcher?
Powerful Woman and Morally Sound Leader are two rings on a Venn diagram. Margaret Thatcher was a powerful woman, but she was also an Irish-hating piece of shit tyrant who shouldn't have had the privilege of dying of old age.
Also in a society in which few women lead, the ones who do tend to be particularly ruthless.
Historians: "No not like that"
Why wouldn’t a historian think a capable multilingual strategist and leader (who took a great interest in the health and welfare of her people including supporting citizens of disparate faiths and cultures) was sexy? How is any of that not sexy?
She can be both. In fact, I think it makes her even sexier knowing she was such a singularly competent and effective head of state.
And its a shame cause knowing those things only makes it worse
Polygloty is the new sexy
-Giggles in multiple languages-
Jajajajaja
Iirc they have 3D models of cleopatra and she is ugly ash. Maybe for being an inbred royal she was attractive.
I would not say she was ugly at all, based on what I've seen.
Cleopatra artistic reconstruction utilizing various paraphernalia which may depict her.
Ok yeah that's a quite attractive woman. Add in that she parties like nobody's business and may very well be the smartest person you've ever met.
Honestly it's remarkable someone so inbred could look that good
Huh. No wonder she wore her husband's ceremonial beard, she had a weak chin.
Story tells she could smell an enemy 10 kilometers away
She's Greek/Macedonian with a bit of Egyptian. It's not like she was going to have a small nose. And it was Italians who kept falling in love with her.
Back then people had only seen like five women, so it was just a small sample size.
Maybe she was sexy in other ways?
Both Julius Cesar and Mark Anthony wrote high praise for her mouth. Now whether that means her oratory skills or something else... it's anyone's guess.
