ruled men make good rules
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Unfortunately the saying refers to soft men like Trump et. al., not femboys.
God I wish we had a femboy president and cabinet... I'm not even attracted to them. I just know they'd be infinitely better than the fucking fascist cheeto et. al..
no its about femboys. read history
can confirm I lived in the Roman empire 👍
You'd be surprised by the amount of nazi femboys there are...
Eh... I'm aware how insufferably 'bottom' many of them are. To want to be a nazi whilst being a type of person they would likely dislike is ... pretty strong bottom energy.
pretty strong bottom energy.
It's not only about bottoms tho
There a lot of people in LGBT+ community that supports islam\sharia law. Amount of people that are simultaneously in those two circles is surprisingly high. Same with women and sharia law actually. You would think they understand that it basically a suicide - but here we are. Sadly, don't have exact numbers, maybe that just vocal minority, who knows.
I mean, even if we talking about politics - there a lot of people who supported Trump for example. Same people then complained, that their group (LGBT+, farmers, etc) was negatively affected by his politics. Leopards do what leopards do.
Also, in my birth country russia (I hope it cease to exist), all that fascist "z" movement rise so high, that many communities like furry, anime, mlp, etc. became toxic waste. Sad thing really, you see how people support same regime, that prosecute them.
Yea, it was partly a joke. I will never understand how people, especially minorities, can look themselves in the mirror after voting against their own interest. Not even in a greedy way, but in a, "what the fuck did you think would happen?" sort of way.
This is still not the criteria to decide who decides...
... Nor correct reasoning. Femboys can be fascist too. These are not mutually exclusive sets. So no, you are in error asserting you know they'd be better, if you're saying they'd not be fascist. Power corrupts, and corrupted feboys may be a devil we don't know. I'd rather not have a devil making machine. No matter which flavour of devils. I do not want a devil making machine. Putting women in power, did not mend it. Putting "black faces in high places", did not mend it. But putting femboys in the power structure shaped for fascism, is going to mend it? May be yet missing the lesson to learn here. ~ Sorry Martin Luther King. I'm tryin.
I'm absolutely positive there are fewer femboy fascists than Republican fascists.
My comment is not about the most ideal government, nor about power structures, but a direct comparison of two specific things.
fewer
So your "know" is just a gamble.
A gamble with better odds than the 100% chance we currently have... How fucking dense can you be?
It shouldn't be fucking difficult to understand that a gamble is better than a guarantee.
Your aggressive ad-hominem, and moved goal posts, is uncompelling. Sorry I've failed to help elucidate the epistemics here for you, past your apparent identity attachment with this that's causing such a social-dominance limbic-reaction occluding critical thinking, but given that reaction, I'm losing confidence in my abilities to cut through the emotion to get this correspondence back to the simple logic, and shan't even try. Hoping you find the way to feel better.
lol good job failing to understand the most basic facts of reality, let alone anything about biology, but nice attempt to sound smart. You're the biggest fool I've seen on here all week.
Bro made a casual joke and you took it too seriously. YTA.
Those two aren't men, they're an enby and a trans woman.
Yet they still make me hard. Curious
Well that means you're bi
t'aint nothin wrong with it though
This whole thing never made much sense. It’s just a poorly thought out version of the passage of trauma, one that fails to account for systemization of classism, bigotry, and the like. If this were the case, things should swing wildly every 40 years, but that hasn’t been my observation.
No, it makes perfect sense if you treat it like the metaphorical expression it is and not a literal description of reality...
Or are you the kind of person to think, "measure twice, cut once" literally means you need to measure things twice and not that it's about being careful?
I’d give it respect as a saying if it hadn’t been adopted by republicans as a means of putting down society at large. The Apple doesn’t fall across the bridge when it gets to it.
Also, I do measure twice. But I also cut three times because I’m terrible with electric saws and I need the practice.
That's stupid. Republicans will miscontrue and torture any expression if it lets them shit on others.
Just look at "right to work", or all the BS they've spouted against universal healthcare since long before Trump et. al..
If you let lying cheating monsters define everything, OFC most of it isn't going to be true.
You’re welcome to fight the treadmill of American language and associations to attempt to reclaim a saying that I personally view as limiting. Sounds like a huge undertaking, but it seems like it really matters to you. I’m rooting for you.
I’ll never cede ymca as a straight song, but a poorly thought out saying, I can’t care.
Then keep allowing shitty people to ruin things like you seem to want to do. It's the American way, after all.
Nah, metaphors can be wrong. Even things that "feel true" can be wrong.
It's not wrong when viewed as a metaphor.
Entire generations aren't comprised of weak or strong men. It's fucking stupid to think it means the world works in predictable cycles.
What it actually means is, don't put weak men in charge.
How is this a metaphor for "don't put weak men in charge"??
Because they create bad times? How is this a fucking difficult concept?
Bad people create bad times, it's pretty simple.
People might consider Jimmy Carter a "soft man," but did he "create bad times"?
Those people are not defining 'soft' correctly, then. Also the original expression isn't "soft", it's "weak".
Sure, Carter might not have had muscles, but only a vile piece of trash would call him weak.
Edit: Interesting how you edited your post to read very different after my response... Almost like you realize you were spouting shit at first.
So you think saying "x causes y" directly is a metaphor for "x causes y, so dont do x". Huh. What do you think a metaphor is?
Easy for you to say when you've got a prescription which ensures that for hours at a time.
is that prescription dancing?
Stupid men like oversimplified phrases that make themselves think they're better than others.
are they even better than others, by their own logic? they make it sound like a natural cycle, where the hard/softness of people is a natural consequence of the times which made them. the times are just a natural consequence of the hardness of the people.
with this framework, if times are bad right now, that can't be some great moral failing, after all the people allegedly responsible, did not chose to make them so, and anyway, the times will get good again soon enough, ... and then go bad again. it might just suck to live through the hard times.
IS THAT A RAINBOW IN THEIR PFP? DID GRINDR GO WOKE???
How shocking!
Bad men good times make hard men. Good times make men hard make soft men. Soft good men make men man men.
Time good bad times. We need men men men.
make men man men
That's a good one 🤣
Ignoring for a moment that apparently women don't exist in that world, even the premise doesn't hold: Bad times don't make hard people, bad times make sick, malnourished, badly educated and/or desperate people, none of which is conductive to making the proposed following of the good times.
If any of that were true, the good times in the so called first world should've made their peoples so soft compared to the hard peoples that should've been created literally everywhere else that the last 300 years of war or so should've ended very differently.
It's a racist propaganda trope that harkens back to ancient Rome where senators decried the "soft" Roman lifestyle compared to the "hard" germanic tribes and has gathered connotations of blood-and-earth ("Blut und Boden", no idea how thats translated) and other unsavory shit in the meantime.
I like to call it the "Fremen Mirage" after the awesome blog collection of a historian I very much like: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-part-i-war-at-the-dawn-of-civilization/
Props to grindr for judo-ing this pile of worms to a place the original poster presumably wouldn't have liked very much
I love that blog. It's written in such a thorough yet accessible manner that I've actually sent that particular post to a friend with whom I was arguing about this with
Most of what makes these "bad times", involves the existence of massive dickheads like Laurence Fox, who think that strength is the same as bigotry.
Why is GrinderUS named GrinderUK?
listen up libruls, i beat my entire family so they can be MANLY
my wife left and took the kids
That’s hard, man.
Reminder that Laurence Fox is a classist, racist, Covid-denying, bigoted, moron that even the majority of the British right wing ignore as too far gone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Fox#Personal_views
Is there an echo in here??
"GrindrUK" "@GrindrUS"
Did anybody ever respond to him? I don't see anything highlighted so I don't think so
Nothing yet, will keep you posted
This is patently inaccurate. If anything, bad times make soft men, in many of us desperate crave someone to protect us, with whom we feel safe to be soft with. And then, of course, soft men makes hard men
The whole cyclical thing is bullshit and has been for thousands of years. Good times make for a surplus in food and other products, which can feed a warrior caste to pillage more prosperity from the unfortunate.
Dr. Devereaux explores this myth in his series dubbed "The Fremen Mirage" (named such after the fictional people of Dune, both to provide an example of its "distilled" portrayal in fiction and to avoid linking it to any specific real culture he'd step on the toes of).
And we do need men. Men whose identity isn't defined by supremacy or dominance, but by the courage to step up, the strength to help carry the weaker members of society, the honour to protect the vulnerable and the confidence to not feel emasculated by conceding error or showing tenderness or loving other men.
Most of that is applicable to humans in general, regardless of gender, biology, sexuality, ethnicity or whether they like soy-based foods, but if we're gonna lean into masculine stereotypes, let it be the healthy, beneficial ones.
And if we're gonna lean into men, have fun!
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I never actually tried HTML tags (and I'd be surprised if they work, given the vulnerabilities that would introduce), but Lemmy (or at least most clients) supports Markdown, where --- achieves the same effect.
Actually, let me try the HTML tag.
<hr/>Doesn't look like it on my end. Shame.
While we're at it, it does support HTML entities like ü ∈ or ⥱ (ü ∈ or ⥱ respectively).
You can also use for larger paragraphs breaks like the one above:
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Got used too much to html/xml
Condolences, hope you recover soon
most of the 20th century dictators were men "made" by bad times. explain this sherlock.
I think the sticking point would be the "hard [people] make good times" assertion. Hard (read: traumatized) people tend to be assertive and aggressive in positions of leadership. While that certainly can create change for the better, that change is far from guaranteed.
The current times were made by people in their 60s to 80s so they are the weak men by his logic.
good times make hard men. soft men make me hard.
This comment made me a hard man.
Soft men make me hard.
Hard men make soft men. Soft men become hard men... What were we talking about?
Did he just call himself soft?
I’m so glad they sloppily hilighted the text, otherwise I might not have understood it
So is Mr Fox admitting to being a soft man for being around to cause these problems?
It’s funny that Laurence is about as soft a lad as they come. His entire acting family is so obviously posh and pampered that they all have to play Malfoys, but the rest of them just get on with it instead of coming out with cry-baby shit like this on the regular.
Okay, who else tried to wipe or blow away the random line?
This belongs in a meme section.
