I just learned what the hell a Groyper is
(midwest.social)
People TwitterMy one consolation over finding out about this whole fight between different groups of fascists (besides the fact that the fascists are fighting each other, that's always a net positive) is that I can refer to it as gang violence.
Kirk was killed in a turf war between his gang and a rival gang immediately after trying to downplay mass shootings by asking "with or without gang violence?"
It’s about whether you hate Jewish people the right way or not. It has nothing to do with brown people as both groups equally hate them.
Kirk supports Israel and Fuentes and the groypers do not.
supported please.
I don't think I understand any of what's being said here. Don't know the term, don't know the references being made in the post.
I've no idea what this means, but if they're just racist PoS I don't think I care about nuance.
Basically Kirk was MAGA, the shooter was from a group called 'groypers' led by Nick Fuentes. There's an online meme 'persona' of sorts called Pepe, who I guess the groypers use as a mascot. Which is a shame as some of the Pepe content is pretty awesome. It's the punisher skull shit all over again. Anyway, infighting between facist groups, groypers being the more extreme far right group, which I didn't think was possible but here we are.
Is that like a grouper but with a South African accent?
Basically racists got mad Pepe got reco-opted by democratic protestors in Hong Kong so they decided to make their own frog to put racist shit on, this is how a decent chunk of America passes the time.
I have a feeling the trial is going to be a cringe fest of internet memes. Lawyers explaining to the jury what 4chan and pepe is. The trial Charlie Kirk deserves.
It should be a war crime to explain to my mother what a groyper is, what "OWO" is and how to pronounce it.
Oh-woo-oh, obviously. Just imagine the cringe if your mom decides to joke with OwO and UwU to her friends, it'll be worth it
I didn't even know about the Groypers till Charlie Kirk was killed by one.
I only knew Nick Fuentes as "That guy who tried to sue Antifa" and later "The Right Winger who disavowed Trump in 2024"
Apparently there's controversy about him not "really" being an Incel because he had a girlfriend in high school, and he believes anything outside of being celibate is gay, because being affectionate with a woman is unmanly.... and I'm like...
"This is too much even for me."
Wait'll you hear about that time Fuentes accidentally streamed himself watching gay porn. Or his date with a catboy!
Go on
I didn't even know about Charlie Kirk until Charlie Kirk was killed by a groyper. I knew there was some rightwing crank being mocked for having a tiny face on a huge head, but that was it. My main reaction after the shooting was "damn, that really is a tiny face".
Lol exactly the same here
I KNOW RIGHT???
And people were like "oh the killer carved UWU what's this and Helldivers 2 memes on his bullets, that's common in Groyper circles"
Bro are you talking aboutttttt, what do you mean????
I just find it absurd how these niche-in-a-niche-in-a-niche communities develop and how seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles inside, it reaches a point where I'm just like dude, our lizard brains can't handle the internet. We just weren't wired to work like this, there's no way
I saw someone who described the murder as a shitpost and that scarily makes sense.
seemingly random bits of internet culture turn into dogwhistles
My favorite thing is the neonazis wearing pleated khakis. Like, the only item of clothing even nerdier than that is lederhosen.
My nephew is being sent to an evangelical school whose uniform is khakis and a choice of a red or blue polo shirt. Want to guess which color is social suicide?
Im no longer talking to that part of my family.
I really, truly, with all of my being, feel that we are reaching the end limits of what the human mind is currently able to contend with. We are so overstimulated it's insane. We literally need to evolve our physical bodies as a species to continue living as we are or we will literally die.
Sorry man, but it's going to get worse before it gets better.
And I have no idea if it's ever getting better
I don't even want to bring up brain chips, there's plenty of people who already think they have them. Imagine the psychosis.
There is no limit. Things are really really bad? They can always get worse. Rock bottom is a flawed analogy.
The drill is mightier than the rock
Or maybe just not go on the internet so much?
Most people are addicted. It's like you are saying "Just stop smoking cigarettes so often"
That's a more reasonable suggestion than "evolve more lungs"
With cigarettes, we recognized that harm that they did and in response developed a series of regulations about where they could be used, who could use them when, how they could be advertised, warning labels that had to be applied, and taxes on them to discourage use and offset the societal harm. As result we get this:
...and this...
The internet is a tricky one on account of it absolutely having crossover with the first amendment, but there's got to be a conversation about its effect on mental health and what if anything can be done in response.
I'm a grown-ass, nearly 40 year-old family man, and I fucking know what "uwu" is. These idiots think they're "exposing the conspiracy", when in reality anyone who has spent more than 4 seconds researching any meme would immediately recognize it.
It wasn't even "uwu" meme
It was the "OwO what's this?" Meme. Which makes it even weirder/funnier/messed up
I still don't understand, but I learned one thing, when a meme seems to do not have a meaning, it's fascists crap.
Those guys always miss humor totally.
What's the difference? ELIA5 please, I don't know if I have time to go down this rabbit hole myself.
One is a generic emotion, while "OwO what's this?" is an (in)famous meme from the furry fandom
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/notices-bulge-owo-whats-this
It's this face. Like :) is a smile and xD is supposed to be somebody laughing so hard their eyes have squinted shut.
owo is the same face, but the eyes are open.
Edit: I have misread. You do understand it lmao
There's not just 2
I mean, most white people feel the same way. We learn about it and it's like, wtf.
If anyone's feeling pretty hopeless about finding this out for the first time, I recommend this documentary about the cartoon frog's creator suing Alex Jones and trying to take back his ownership over Pepe from the white power weirdos. It's very uplifting and the artist is a pretty likable guy.
I instantly dislike the guy.
Check if any invidious instance can play it, or NewPipe/PipePipe on android
Probably had to do with the country copyright laws :/ I had personal videos blocked because they used music that in over country was free to use and in others wasn’t… or maybe he hates you in particular 🤷♀️
Dang I didn't know users did that on YouTube. I guess I can't say I blame you, it's a shitty thing to do
They're just losers who live online trying to outdo each other to hold the most extreme view points possible so they can stand out in their depressing little discord shitholes. It's such a depressing reality I can't even imagine it. No wonder they become mass shooters.
The two sides are racists who disagree regarding faith and whether Jewish people are their equals or not.
Losers that have the ear of the president. Fuentes less but he also been to Mar A Lago for lunch with Maga Pompous
You're also describing lemmy, except for the mass shooter part... for now. With the stochastic terrorism that dominates certain discussions (Gaza, Luigi, etc) it's only a matter of time.
I've never felt the need to shift my opinions to please the crowd on lemmy. I mean if someone is really deep in certain communities that could happen, but that's the loser part. Online chat groups shouldn't become a focus of your identity.
Lemmy isn't in the same realm as Groypers or neo-nazi cliques or any of that nonsense. Really?
I'm guessing "Gaza" here means "if you don't support Israel you're a nazi".
I learned about the Groyper wars recently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
Even though it is a well written, informative and comprehensive article, I still feel like I am losing braincells reading it. It is so incredibly stupid what some humans stoop to.
Same. At one point I found myself skimming words without taking them in and I had to stop.
I did learn one important thing from all of this though - there are more fractures and divisions among the far right than there appears. Ever-smaller factions fighting amongst each other is better than one coherent group fighting the rest of us.
Targeting Charlie Kirk
What the fuck?! Seems pretty relevant to look into re: the past week but no let’s blame it on leftists
Fuentes himself was almost murdered last December by a guy who killed three other people and two dogs that day and ended up getting killed by the police. He went there specifically for Fuentes but I don't think it was some foot soldier following orders. No idea if the guy was on the left but I kinda don't really think he was.
It is very relevant yeah. They hated Kirk, and it very well may be that the shooter was a groyper
Fuck, we invent some useless shit. I wonder what'll be around in 50 years? Tea cosy wars? A disdain for people with attached ear lobes? A religion that proclaims the colour yellow to be heresy?
You overestimate progress in the field of bigotry. In 50 years they will hate (in no particular order) people who are:
- black
- brown
- jews
- asians
- gay (as umbrella term, come at me lesbians)
- genderfreaks (saying it as a genderfreak)
- overwheight
- neurodivergent
- religious minority
- homeless
So, pretty much the same as 50 years ago
Careful what you say about yellow or they might come for you next.
THERE IS ONLY green
Green is not a creative color
Don't hug me I'm scared reference for anyone wondering
As a person with deuteranopia, I find your assertion offensive. Next you'll be saying purple is a real colour that totally exists.
... gurple? green-purple?
Or....does it all more or less come across as something like brown?
Or gray?
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Only in our dreams, brother/sister/NB sibling!
purple
Ayyyyy get out of here with that kind of language, that is so goddamn offensive.
Can there be green without yellow?
Thanks. Also interesting to read about the origin of Pepe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
I did not learn what they were recently, because unfortunately I was raised on 4chan. Once you have a certain part of your brain plugged into that shithole website, certain bits of information will just make themselves available to you through the ether. You absorb information by osmosis (Jones). I wish I couldn't. Skin me alive.
It's like gaining eldritch knowledge. It unlocks certain aspects of reality unseen before now, at the cost of some of your sanity, driving you mad with understanding. And everyone around you thinks you've lost your mind
Fuck, that is the most apt explanation, thank you.
We lost our innocence forever.
Yer a Warlock msage
I despise every new term for Nazis.
They're just fuckin' Nazis. Don't spread their newsletters.
Pepe went the way of the swastika, and it's truly sad. 😭
Lmao no he didn't, what?
Pepe is too general to be taken over by a group as a symbol. I hate when ppl just concede Pepe away like that. Fuck those normies (and ofc nazis as well).
Akin to "oh no, that nazi is eating freedom fries, has a USA tattoo, and is wearing a shirt - all of those things separately are now the undisputed universal symbols of Nazism!!".
Seriously, people saying that about pepe here reminds me of conservatives saying video games are the problem. It's like come on, I don't think the 19 year old woman streaming stardew valley on twitch to 12 people and posting okayge in chat even knows what a 4chan is lol
Do not despair
Fun fact I have the exact type of pin as is on that hat. I actually have three of them, damn do I love surplus stores.
I have the red star (no laurels). It came attached to a really warm hat at a thrift store.
Be a lot cooler if you had a pin of Pepe wearing that pin.
Which dweeb was showing off his pin right before he was punched in the face? Also I will note I get them for free since I bought a great coat and an entrenchment tool and they just kinda wanted them gone.
The hell that was being active on reddit during the groyper wars and accidentally absorbing all this shitty knowledge years ago :(
.....reddit groyper wars???
what? When was that? Did it just completely fly under my radar????
Sorry, not the inter-maga war, this was way back during Trump's first term, when TD was still a thing. They had a whole reddit groyper "army" (terminally online TD / Musk incel fanbois) who'd show up and brigade posts on r/politics, r/news, etc.
Generally not so much that it was obvious brigading (we found coordination threads in TD), but enough to try to cast doubt on events and astroturf enough "genuine commentary from ordinary people" so it could be picked up by podcasters and influencers who could amplify the "spontaneous messages and feedback", which would turn be picked up by the less reputable right-wing "news outlets and spread from there to Faux News. It was both fascinating and scary, watching the right wing echosphere at work in detail.
We kept trying to beat back the brigaders, but honestly it was a total whack-a-mole thing, especially since spez decided that reddit was a total free speech zone during the first presidency and that he wasn't going to do anything to help keep things in check because he was too busy building his survival bunker and sucking up to the guys with the big money.
Not that I'm bitter or anything.
Oh yeah: fuck spez.
It's probably not a stretch to say that reddit was instrumental in the ride of the modern alt-reich movement
Reddit is ground zero for the whole umbrella of far right incels. What you talking about stretch. I'm so tired people being too timid to call it what it is.
I honestly can't tell if people are being disingenuous when they say they're shocked that reddit was any of that at all. I know the far right disavow it completely but of course those guys are bullshitters. They drive propaganda 24/7.
What's the excuse for those are in earnest about it. Were people really that siloed such that they completely missed pretty much the entirety of what reddit is?
I'm not too timid, I just don't know enough about the other places on the internet or the behind the scenes on Reddit to say much conclusively
Why should I defend reddit? It was a shithole that only got worse as time went on
At some point I intentionally stopped going and interacting with the darker sides of reddit to protect my own sanity, though. So yes, I was effectively siloed from it. But I'm not shocked, far from it
I was on reddit since back when /r/spacedicks was a thing, up to a few months ago when I started getting instabanned. When tf were the groyper wars?
According to the guy who commented just 5min after you, during Trump's first term.
yeah i was on reddit back then too. tf?
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I'm whiter than bleached mayonnaise and I barely learned what a groyper was. Loser incels, the lot of em.
How the fuck are you supposed to pronounce that?
/ˈnɑːtsi/
It's pronounced 'race-ist'.
I've heard it GROI-per /gɹɔɪ.pɝ/
/gɹɔɪ.pɝ/
I always find these funny, I know the intent but so very rarely is it helpful. I’m probably just too dumb to figure it out
It's really really useful if you're a linguist, a certain kind of autistic, or willing to consult the IPA chart and sound out a bunch of common words
Ahh, yes of course, G-RICE-PE... I am sure there are people out there who know what those cursed letters mean, but it ain't me either.
Yeah but remember the R is an upside and backwards lowercase r sound. Not a standard R sound
That's because the English r sound is a weird one.
You can tell because of the way it is
There's probably a site somewhere where you paste it and it gives you the sound.
Google translate seems to not have the phonetic alphabet, but there's probably something out there that has it.
Same, literally yesterday
they hate a lot of us. Solidarity
