Donald Trump has said that he will withhold funding for New York City if presumptive Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani becomes mayor after November’s general election and doesn’t do the “right thing.”

This is how the president responds to the democratic process...

I am so glad this guy is scaring the everloving fuck out of the right and the DINOs. I want a legion of folk just like him to run for office in every state and every office so we can sweep away the remnants of the old guard.

You know what??? NY will survive. We survived prior to the Revolution. We survived after the Revolution and before the Constitution. We will continue this... and honestly, the FEDS do fucking nothing for us and why do they deserve to be paid??? They are fucking loafing political lying fucks. Fuck them and fire them.

Fuckin' A.

How will the federal government move forward if California & New York withhold their federal taxes?

New York & California are the real US's incomes.

Then join hands with New England and the west coast and starve them back, because that's who has the money.

That would only work with like-minded politicians. Old Democrats have spent more energy complaining about Mamdani in the past month than Trump's current presidential run.

I actually think that conservative journals like the WSJ have created the appearance that Democrats are anti-Mamdani, in an attempt to "divide and conquer" democrats.

i actually see a surprisingly positive response to Mamdani from democratic movements all across the US.

Hey, I am an old Xer and have come to the realization that the reason we lost last election (other than the cheating but decentralized voting almost always wins over cheating)... is because we listened to those "Never Trump Republicans" and embraced the Cheneys and others. That was exactly the wrong tack. We should have embraced instead the Bernie/AOC and Elizabeth faction. That would have communicated to the people that we actually cared about their life circumstances in this post-Covid, war infected supply chain challenged economy. Let the New Economics/Distributist peeps inform us with some resilient strategies. We are Fucking Tired of the Old Ideas.

Bingo. The media is entirely captured, obviously, and people don't understand what's really going on as a result.

So... what you are saying is that it is time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Those old fuckers need to retire and try to still appear wise.... they are fucking failures and should know it.

Yeah, we need to support David Hogg's initiative to primary old useless Dems.

I'm not sure how states could withhold money from the feds.

I'm not a lobbyist so I don't write the laws, but I hear they're trying it

Wow, interesting!

Thanks for that article. I'm glad they're fighting back!

He is copying Orbán in Hungary. He also "starved" the capital city because they elected an opposition mayor. The city is near bankruptcy at the moment. But hey, mini Trump also wanted to ban the Pride march there last Saturday, and as a result he made it the biggest mass event of the past 10 years.

So if things happen similarly, Trump might be able to actually do this, but it might just ruin his chances at the next election - provided there will be another one, according to him.

Oh but blue states not giving federal taxes over is "starting a civil war."

The civil war is already happening. Wake the fuck up people.

Or it's not, and that's the problem. The organised rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

...to the point it's now visible and blatant that the establishment left cannot stand and legitimately claim even the possibility they are the solution.

Because the solution is something more revolutionary that will cause bloodshed and more regular interruptions to people's daily lives.

So of course, keep your head down, hope none of this effects you. Ignore that it already has. The dems will fix it later, ect....

It's understandable to ignore the civil war even though it's not rational to.

Terrorists (freedom fighters) are made as needed, they're not born ready. Trump's administration will be looking to stay under that threshold.

"Left." 😂

I had the same reaction. The US has two parties, a far right one and a center right one. There are some center left members in the Democratic Party but the rest of the party sure tries to smother them any chance they get.

rightwing forces of state repression can easily push around a left that's been trained and groomed to function as entirely beholden to corporate sponsors and big money donors.

That's not a "left" at all. There are traditionally three groups that vie for power, royalty, merchants, and the people. The left serves the people, Democrats serve the merchants, and Republicans are the royalists.

The Democrats may represent the left some day, but it's not who they are right now.

Viva la revolución

I still am laughing at what Wonkette used for their image and headline on how the qons are reacting to Mamdani.. 🤣 🤣 🤣

"Wingnuts Exactly As Calm As You'd Expect Over Mamdani's NYC Primary Win" https://www.wonkette.com/p/wingnuts-exactly-as-calm-as-youd

This is a still from Big Trouble In Little China, for the curious.

Mamdani won a mayoral primary, hasn’t even been elected yet and the hype on all sides is enormous.

Really hope New Yorkers dig in and back this dude.

He was already the favorite, Trump's endorsement here will cinch that up

I'm pretty sure new Yorkers hate trump more than the Eagles, Red Sox, Patriots, and Mets combined.

that is how you know he is the right candidate, Trump is an inverse indicator

You can tell the quality of someone's character by the enemies he makes.

Hopefully he also makes more friends and helps gain momentum to get the rest of the goons out in other jurisdictions

I predict Mamdani and Trump will have similar arcs through the media landscape. The media hated Trump but just couldn't stop paying attention to him, even though every time they attacked him it only made him stronger. Now they are all bending the knee to him.

The same exact thing is happening with Mamdani, but this time for all the best reasons. Mamdani's campaign might easily become a nationwide avalanche.

might easily become a nationwide avalanche

Anecdotally, I have fairly non-political coworkers in other states that are hyping up Mamdani. His reach across Gen Z is honestly insane and people are even making TikTok/Instagram hype edits of him all the time

Imagine someone good drowning out Trump in the media.

I kind of doubt that Zohran will have the same arc, since he's campaigning directly against the vested interests of the owners of our major media outlets. I could see him becoming an outside force too large for them to ignore, who ultimately forces them to change tactics, though.

At the moment, he's an outlier of a candidate for them to try and beat down, and the mainstream media will fight tooth and nail to keep him that way, since him inspiring a broader insurgency of proper leftwing candidates to challenge "progressive" establishment Dems represents an existential crisis for them.

A successful term as mayor for Zohran could well sound the death knell for them if it leads to either a Tea Party style takeover of the Democrats, or produces enough momentum to lead to a proper third party that unseats the Democrats from their position as the GOP-lite party of controlled opposition. Imagine what could happen if those media organizations had to face a properly funded public broadcasting service, for example, that gained broad purchase amongst the public.

I think my explanation to another reply explains it.

https://midwest.social/comment/18384245

Why would liberal media ever bow to a socialist? The capitalists will always understand socialism as a greater threat than fascism.

For the same reason they speak in reverence of Martin Luther King Jr. and pretend that liberals didn't hate his guts back in the day.

On a long enough time scale the left always wins, and liberals always pretend that they backed the left the whole time and claim the victory for themselves.

"A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now."

Mamdani is fucking AMAZING, I'm from the UK and I'm hyped xD

I know nothing about this man.

But since Trump hates him he must be awsome

Now there's plenty of reasons to consider him awesome - those have been listed by more serious comments than mine.

But did you know he used to rap?

Also, right-wing media tried to brand him "Zohran the Destroyer" and very promptly stopped doing so when they realized it sounds way too cool. Apparently he's going to destroy NYC by advocating for 1) raised minimum wage, 2) universal free daycare, 3) A working fucking bus system. He's got personal experience with the problems of the bus system, numbers, a working proof of concept, and a plan to Trump-Proof the city

I'm not even American and I'm rooting for him. Both because he might actually improve people's lives and because he just seems awesome. Been a long time I've seen a politician with his charisma, enthusiasm, and vision. I hope NYC votes him into the office!

Mamdani is a NYC mayorial candidate who is a member of DSA, pro-palestine, has stated that he would have Netanyahu arrested if he came to NYC, and is running on a platform of:

  • Fast and free buses within NYC
  • Rent freeze every year for New Yorkers in rent stabilized housing
  • City owned and operated grocery stores
  • Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD
  • UPK

Creation of a Department of Community Safety to tackle mental health challenges rather than NYPD

This type of program has been working out well for Albuquerque. It removes a lot of police intervention for calls they aren't trained for (anything not involving a weapon, pretty much).

https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/acs-reports-94-success-rate-in-violence-intervention-program/

https://csgjusticecenter.org/publications/expanding-first-response/program-highlights/albuquerque-nm/

UPK = universal pre-kindergarten

(Source: I just looked it up because I didn't have a clue!)

What's the situation with grocery stores in NYC that the mayor has to promise city owned grocery stores?

Commercial groceries are expensive, a city owned distributer can negotiate prices with food suppliers and pass those savings along to citizens by selling food at or extremely near cost.

Also food deserts.

What he's been saying is that NYC has an affordability problem. People can't afford basic necessities (rent, food, transportation, childcare). Can't speak for availability and pricing myself, I don't live in the US.

Food deserts, I imagine.

Lmao, damn, trump seems really scared of this guy.

All the conservatives seem really scared of this guy.

Wonder why republicans might be scared of Democratic candidates left of dead center. Almost like a real alternative not slobbering out neoliberal, Chicago school of economics, nonsense could sweep them in a lot of traditional safe seats.

Or at least be really hard to rally their base against if their base actually hears what the policies are.

Well of course. He's charismatic, young and he talks to the people he wants to represent. He's the antithesis of everything they are.

With the current state of affairs, I’m worried he’s going to fall out of a window and shoot himself in the back of the head

This :/

If that happens, time for more mass protests. Storm the White House, storm Maralago, drag those responsible to the streets.

ok, taco. can't wait for the day he walks this back and act like he's on top of things

I'm sure we'll hear what he wants to do in two weeks

Bullying, threats and coercion are MAGA's SOP. Also works to dominate the uneducated, contractors, colleges, vulnerable women, wage slaves and the GOP.

Just FYI: withholding money is financial abuse, a favorite tactic of abusers, since it leaves no visible marks until significant damage is done.

I'm so tired of people not telling this old bunch of shit sacks to fuck off. I'd have so much respect for any threatened tRump victim if they just told him the fuck off after shits like that.

Threatening to withhold money from a place that gives you the most money doesn't seem like a smart idea.

If New York and California don't give them their money, the Federal Government isn't going to have money to withhold.

That's what abusers do, too. They will cut their own throats to make you squirm.

This shows that waiting to 2026 and hoping that Dems will take over Congress is really pointless. They won't acknowledge and certify any results that aren't their people.

At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

We do not fight on their terms.

They want battles in the streets. They want explosives, dead feds and cops.

They want 258,000,000 dead Americans. They don't give two shits what side it's on.

A Mayoral election giving the elite this much terror is extremely telling. The GOP didn't work the top down, they worked the bottom up. Local governments, states, and the branches of the Federal government.

If NYC can get this guy elected, then the doubt that fascists need to instill in the idea of democracy gets bolstered, and they have to do things that will be even more unpopular than kidnapping immigrants.

At this point we either fight or accept end of US as a democracy.

I really wish we could stop all the pussyfooting and just get to the actual open conflict portion on the program already. It's obviously what both sides want at this point, let's cut the shit and just do the fuckin thing already.

I don't want that. I just am afraid at this point it's inevitable.

A frequent occurrence with forced regime change is trading out one evil for one or more worse evils. Check out Sudan's history. It's not at all easy to build a democracy, so the establishment is rightly hesitant to just scrap this one, as direly troubled as it is.

Odds are we're just going to coast BAU into oblivion.

I mean doesn't he already threaten that even when a centrist or conservative Democrat is elected?

SMALL GOVERNMENT!!!!!

— GOP

For real. Imagine successful infrastructure and social welfare programs being carried out at the city level, with little or no involvement or oversight from the state or federal governments.

Decentralization is what Republicans claim to be all about. Of course it’s a bullshit claim.

Small government only when the conservatives institute Christianity in school, ban abortion and sexual education and rob their constituents of everything they have.

Big government when conservatives need to oppress minorities, fight wars in the Middle East and deport people.

The problem is, we would have a massive amount of people being totally abused in red states if federal laws didn’t exist.

The problem at this point isn't Republican hypocrisy, this is a known thing, it's every institution that supposedly has the duty to put checks and balances on it not doing that. Congress, the courts and the press are all complicit at this point. It's not leaving the people many options.

Well, it’s republicans doing it. And let’s not both sides this, Aussie. There is a clear enemy.

Why was this deleted by a moderator? What did it say?

You can check the mod logs for that, but in this case, the entire account’s comments appear to have been removed.

This Mamdani guy is BAD NEWS! He wants to GIVE YOU BACK your Tax Dollars in the Form of Food and Healthcare and Transportation! That's LUDICROUS! DO the Right Thing New York and Elect the Politician who will CONTINUE GIVING YOUR TAX DOLLARS TO THE BILLIONAIRES DESTROYING YOUR DAILY WAY OF LIFE!

If that happens, time for more mass protests. Surround the White House and stop anyone from entering and leaving until funding to NYC is restored.

I'll be honest they're not working from my perspective. I see them everyday and I see the news the next morning.

Protests and public opinion have already contributed to Musk leaving D.C., which if you ask me is a pretty big accomplishment. And protests aren't usually one and done... It's about building a movement, and that takes time.

That's fair. I was going to agree that it wasn't working.

But we as liberals have to stop looking for perfection. Our protests made Musk have a breakdown and drop out. That's a win.

Good thing New York doesn’t need it and provides money for the federal government. It’s more like New York will stop till they get their shit together.

Another way to escalate this situation is to raise the taxes on billionaires enough to account for the missing revenue from the federal government. Itemize it and call it the "Trump tax".

Seize all of Trump's assets in NYC

Excellent idea. Dems would be foolish not to do this.

What does New York pay to the Feds? Dr into people pay taxes and that goes to the Feds? So how can a city or state stop that.

There are two different thoughts on how how to do this. Restructure federal tax so that it is paid to the state along with your state income and then the state simply withholds from the fed. The other is that states simply refuse to enforce any sort of federal collection or enforcement of unpaid taxes.

And we're right back to election interference. I wonder if something will be done about it this time.

Narrator: It won't.

... because Americans keep telling themselves "wE aRE nOT thERe yET"

This sounds like more of the "socialism never works [because conservatives/capitalists sabotage it]"

If a system doesn't work when it encounters opposition, it doesn't work.

Ok then no system works because any system can be sabotaged. Democracy can be subverted in various ways. Making a sandwich can be ruined by any number of methods. That's not a useful way to look at the world.

Can someone share some insight with us non Americans, how close are you to a civil war? Between the LA protests and this it seems very imminent

Eh, bread and circuses. People are still relatively comfortable and complacent.

Except we can barely afford the bread and circuses right now. This is true of people like me that 5 years ago thought they were doing really well…

Even impoverished Americans have a relatively high standard of living, globally speaking. People are struggling, but they generally have a roof over their heads and don't have to eat their pets. We're not where we should be by any measure, but we're also nowhere near the levels of desperation that push people to armed revolt.

Three missed paychecks, and we’ll be there.

It's not even close

It's a "cold" civil war currently. And one side is just submitting and rolling over.

Not very close, despite the online rhetoric. Life continues and our feudal lords play their games.

If things continue to get worse and another lunatic succeeds Trump, I think talk of secession will start to gain more traction in the West. But even then, it would take something really major (and not something the Lemmy politics crowd considers major, but something that actually snaps average liberals out of their comas) to garner enough support for it to actually occur.

Western secession would be an uphill battle; it's just as likely we'd lose an armed conflict with the rest of the country, and an all-out war would be absolutely terrifying.

I mean they’re arresting citizens with brown skin now so not too long before being a democratic registered voter is a crime.

It will come, a lot of us are anticipating it. For now the important thing is that we cannot give them reason to start massacring people.

The fascist uses debate to waste time. The resistance uses that time to waste the fascist's time. The regime got a lot done in 6 months, but we're still on here communicating freely. I can still go to the store, buy candles, paper, glass bottles, foam, gasoline, storm matches, lighters, nails, hammers, tape, twine (which actually makes me wonder why do I not have rope?).

The problem with the fascist mindset is that it will reach a point where they see everyone as a threat. And the goal is for everyone to be a threat by then.

Not anywhere close, in my opinion. People have these ideas that only right wingers have guns and red state vs. blue state but my conservative relatives who live in the country and hunt are afraid to go to cities. They ask me all the time if I’m nervous living in one and there’s a school bus stop by my house where kids get dropped off.

A related point is that in the last Civil War, there was a somewhat blurry but pretty clear regional divide. Now, it’s an urban vs. rural divide. I live in Orleans Parish (aka county) in Louisiana and we went 82% for Harris/Waltz, roughly the same as Manhattan. I’m pretty sure California had more Trump voters than Texas. If a gun brawl breaks out, it’s going be local and contained.

Also, what’s Meal Team Six gonna do in a real battle? Most Trump voters are like 60+ years old and watch Fox News all day. Nobody wants the smoke.

The active duty military is already in 3 border states with arrest/search powers in what is called a militarized zone. They claim it is border states but... the actual places they are stationed are not just at the Southern border.

https://www.npr.org/2025/05/06/g-s1-63778/military-border-zone-posse-comitatus-explained

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4166835/at-southern-border-defense-secretary-visits-newly-created-national-defense-area/

I am very skeptical of the notion we are anywhere near an actual shooting war despite all the turmoil. Both sides would have waaaay too much to lose, especially red states, which derive huge amounts of funding from blue states (basically, blue states provide federal revenue while red states tend to use it up).

At the moment at least, people have too high a degree of comfort to actually get off their asses and start physically fighting. Things would probably have to get a lot worse before we really see that happen.

I think people are more pissed off and divided than they have been in a very long time. It's hard to say how close we are to a civil war, though. There's been a lot of propaganda for a long time saying "violence is not the answer" (even though sometimes it is), and "violence has no place in our system of government" (even though the government abuses its own monopoly on violence to imprison and kill innocent, peaceful people).

It feels like the media in the US is less reliable than it's ever been in my lifetime, and would probably suppress as much as possible any information that would support open rebellion.

There likely won't be bloodshed until the president is assassinated.

Still seem very unlikely to start a war (plus, given his track record of would-be assassins, they'd probably be right wing anyhow).

That won't matter. It could be Don Jr doing it live and on camera and it would still get spun an an anti-fa trans brown immigrant leftist plot and a certin 40% would believe it with their orange little hearts.

Not so sure about that, some certainly would, but even if it was disregarded by everyone, people are way too comfortable and complacent to give up their relative safety to start an actual war.

At this point it's in the script

Politicians have already been assassinated. The ones from minnesota.

I predict with immigration crack downs we'll eventually see some more resistance to that. At some point, either by ambush or chance occurrence, ICE agents will be attacked and possibly killed. Trump will horrifically overstep in his response. Then it will just be escalating responses.

There will be no war because there's no one to fight it. The organizations that an armed resistance might coalesce around simply don't exist, and Trump's camp is entrenched enough to easily strangle any nascent movement in the crib as soon as it begins to arm itself.

There are only nine meals between mankind & anarchy. -Alfred H. Lewis

The problem with this, and so many other problems in America right now - is that they'll only ever be fixed by Democrats swinging the other direction.

The majority of whom will only go as far as they believe their corporate sponsors will allow. Preventing real progress.

This is the mechanism and economic base structure of "democracy" in the west which prevents real progress and real change from happening to the structures and systems we have.

The result? An ever increasing risk of populist fascism, which may become increasingly systemic in its use of deadly force and violent repression (yes, things can go further unless the structure itself is forced in the other direction - in a revolutionary manner).

To clarify: Only leftwing revolution can fix and prevent this happening again. Hence why Biden and establishment "leftists" were unable to prevent the current era - because it requires a revolutionary movement much further left to do these adjustments to democracy, rights, and the state of western politics.

This is the mechanism and economic base structure of “democracy” in the west which prevents real progress and real change from happening to the structures and systems we have.

As a Dane I'm quite happy with the system and politicians we have here. What I see as the issue is when different untruthful and overly emotional media start getting a foothold, and the people don't punish politicians for lying. It is literally "Idiocracy" in the making.

establishment “leftists”

Who?

You can't get enough people to vote for your cause, but you can get enough people to fight and die for it?

Even if your vanguard does win, what do you do with the people who don't agree with your methods after the dust settles? What lengths will you go to I order to "protect" the revolution?

You can’t get enough people to vote for your cause

But... enough people just voted for Mamdani? That's what the thread is about?

Peter Pan Trump. The most insecure little boy

Billionaires are happy to say people work harder when they're desperate and boy the billionaires are working hard to smear this guy.

This is just taco talk. Nothing will come of it.

I guess they'll have to withhold they're federal taxes to help pay for the shortfall.

Who? The people pay taxes not the city.

You'd think that even with as delusional as they are, the establishment Democrats that are also taking shots at Mamdani would be able to see how much the Republicans are scared of him and the weapon he is. They'll still fuck it up, but it couldn't be more clear the path they should follow.

What a pathetic pile of garbage excuse for a human being. Just fuck off.

This all feels like some carnival played-out Republican PR seeking drama with actors on both sides.

I hope Mamdani has a high quality security detail or he wont live long.

If only there we're an opposition party who would finally get off their ass to back people like Zohran and finally take shit seriously. But "it's their turn" so that party doesn't fucking exist.

It's time to dissolve the union.

Woah calm down there Jeff Besos. /jk

Big FSB vibes

No, she can't win. She is a great politician, but Trump has a 100% success rate at beating women presidential candidates. I actually suspect the DNC is doing it on purpose.

Oh, and yes ... barring death or illness the dictator Trump will be going for a 3rd term.

She?

Not sure what happened. This was a reply to a post saying AOC would be the best Dem presidential candidate.

First day on this new Voyager Lemmy App since Jerboa died ... tis wonky.

Jerboa died? I'm using it right now on Android...

No clue what happened to mine. It just stopped.

Voyager is fine but not especially surprising you can’t figure it out

He will die first. He is old, unhealthy, demented and shitting himself on the regular and is literally incoherent.

They said much the same about Putin and - regardless him being in better initial shape than Trump - he's still around.

Being old and unfit means less event you've got money for top-notch healthcare and people willing to ignore (or take advantage of) your physical and mental decline

you have to wake up, the election wasn't your fault

I would write this dude in for every election until I die if he responds, 'STFU!'

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