THE POLICE PROBLEMThe March 14 directive, signed by Attorney General Pam Bondi, uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections.
According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval. Instead, immigration officers can sign their own administrative warrants. The bar for action is low — a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Can't wait to see it clash when someone blows away an ICE agent in a castle state
The person who would that, if they are somehow still alive, will be crucified by the state.
Yep
So... where is that outrage from preppers and gun enthusaists of the government barging into their homes?
Can you image if Biden, Obama, or even Bush did this?
There would literally be a massive armed mob outside the White House.
Turns out guns are useless in the face of propaganda, I guess.
Oh, I literally just remembered my Mexican ex-roomie still gets his mail sent to my house
Well, everyone, the gun kept by the door for this exact reason is looking more and more like Im right to have it... Fuck
And what the US citizens will do about this ? Enough is enough when your country gets geopardized and still couple protests won't do it.
For some reason, I keep thinking that people used to booby trap their doors to discourage these types of activities. I vaguely think this was an IRA thing?
Not sure if it actually happened or it was just something from a movie, but I'm curious what would happen after a few ICE raids were turned into meat sauce by door mounted claymores.
The reason it's illegal, is to protect firefighters and paramedics in case they need to enter a home.
It's illegal. And they wouldn't change their policies.
They don't care about their agents.
The law nerd in me is intrigued by the idea of a Third Amendment issue arising in the wild.
The citizen in me is horrified that they'd even fucking try.
Yeah what you need to do is 2nd amendment some of those house invaders under the castle doctrine of your State
I'm sure they will only apply castle doctrine to non members of the state. So if you shoot an ice officer breaking into your house, without a warrant. They will still be found guilty of murder, if they are somehow taken alive.
Good to know that a Stetson University law degree isn’t worth the paper its printed on.
By the time they enter, if they do, it will no longer be my home. It will belong to my estate. Fuck this admin. I hope we survive is and learn from it, at least until the next century when we will have forgotten about it again.
A "memo". A fucking memo. No, this is a violation of the Constitution. Fuck your memo.
No they can't, at least legally.
I know they want to be like their idols in the Gestapo, but things quite there yet. Although it's getting very close.
There is no "legal" in America now. RESIST
Having read the title and also the whole article.... Let me say. The fuck no you can't. Let's get letigious or let's get the vests. I've got over 200 years of jurisprecisence and the moral high road. We can skip the cultural perogative if you really want to. Or in this case you can endorse it. It doesn't matter to me. as a cisgender white male and, and prolific gun owner, who is utterly tired of this already, let's fuckin go. I've been waiting and i've finally got the perfect set up to tell you how many ways you can blow it out your ass.
Disgusting anti American anti constitutional blowhards all of them.
Love this energy. Get litigious first. The thugs like violence, but they cant win at court - at least not without their favourite judges.
This prescident isn't giving time to be litigious first. They will be in your home before you can dial 911, whom is likely helping this happen.
Yeah. Be ready ofc
LOL "anti American"
It is the most american thing ever.
Well, thats one way to get rid of them. Cleaning up the mess is on you though
The second amendment says that they can’t
The 2nd is most definitely a recommendation that they tread pretty damn lightly with this one.
Incidentally, it's perfectly legal to own a mounted gatling gun on top the of your property.
Ok let me get this straight. There's no legal migrant anymore?
When did they mention migrants at all? The way this is written up is that anyone can be acted upon, all it requires is a "reasonable belief" that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang. And lets face it, if they have their way no one will be checking anyone's documents before, during or after these raids.
actually anyone can be "considered illegal" they left enough vagueness in the policy.
Any law, rule or regulation that violates the constitution is invalid. The Supreme Court has ruled on this in multiple cases. Unless Congress passes a constitutional amendment that eliminates the 4th amendment, the executive branch must abide by the law as it's written. The executive branch has no authority to make, change or interpret law.
Edit: A lot of laws and constitutional amendments have been made since the 1798 Alien Enemies Act was passed. The 13th Amendment banned slavery (with a loophole) The 14th Amendment gave equal protection under the law among other things. The 1964 Civil Rights Act made it a crime to discriminate based on race and national origin, which pretty much destroys the Alien Enemies Act. No altering the enforcement of our laws based on where the person came from or what they look like.
the executive branch must abide by the law as it’s written
That's adorable.
Arm yourselves.
Correct. At this point a few ICE agents need to be treated as armed intruders and dealt with.
We don't do this in an armed society ... it's why we are armed.
It's a bold move Cotton, let's see how this test of the 2nd amendment plays out.
Republicans would have turned in Anne Frank. This is truly some gestapo shit.
Shit, Republicans would re-crucify Jesus as woke and harboring criminals.
Republicans would be the ones looking for Anne Frank.
The hypotheticals have run out of runway. They're here.
"Hiel Trump" is required when people meet in public or private. Any hesitation must be treated with aggressive concern and reported to all, immediately. This is the only way to keep America safe from (insert current list of threats).
The only time the Alien Enemies act should be used is in an extreme emergency: Say, for example, an orange man wanting to press a big red button to burn the world to cinders.
ICE, if it truly wanted to do things the right way, can do the 'practicable', by waiting for judges and their juries to render judgement. As we have clearly seen, ICE doesn't measure up to even basic sense nor decency. Here's hoping that ICE is broken by the people, for the people.
Are people going to stand their ground when this happens?
There's a fair amount of instances of cops no-knocking and getting put on a T-shirt. Honestly, no-knocks were a super stupid concept and never ever should have taken off the way they did. ICE just barging in because "I am the warrant" is going to get a lot more cops pictures posted on GoFundMe
Yes.
100%
Put a bullet in the head of an ICE agent, see how many wanna go inside a home.
If anyone forces their way into my house without a warrant, they are getting shot.
uses an obscure 18th-century law — the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 — to give law enforcement nationwide the power to bypass basic constitutional protections
...That's not how the relationship between laws and the Constitution works.
Journalists don't need to just print both sides arguments and throw their hands up like determining truth is beyond them. Don't print lies and falsehoods without immediately pointing out they're lies and falsehoods. They didn't find a glitch in the system that maybe the courts will patch eventually, they're making up unlawful justifications to violate constitutional rights. Yeah, constitutional rights aren't going to save you from the violation, but we all need to know and establish that it's a violation in advance. ICE could always enter your home without a warrant, they just couldn't do it legally, and a memo from fascist Barbie hasn't changed that.
Your mistake is thinking that the media in the US employ journalists. They're oligarch controlled propaganda machines.
Still waiting on those nuts to step up to what they said they were keeping guns for.
You can go exercise your rights too.
Learn to shoot, might not be long before they’re kicking in your door.
I’m not going to some El Salvadoran death camp. If I’m gonna get killed by my own government, I’m going down swinging. Maybe I’ll take a few of the bastards with me.
No no those guns were to make sure they don't end up on the bottom.
Why?
Are you unarmed and regretting your anti gun political beliefs as you run head first into this brick wall of reality?
It's totally fine everyone. Obviously this would only ever happen to poor people or bad people or other people /s.
Seriously though, where the fuck are all the people screaming about freedom?
Well, constitutionally, they can't for whatever that's worth now.
That bold faced liar can go right to hell.
Looking forward to this being challenged in a state with Stand Your Ground laws where warrantless trespassing is legally the same as any other trespassing.
I'm personally opposed to lethal force being used to protect property in general, but there are places where that is essentially legal due to Stand Your Ground laws.
Your opposed to it, but now you also see the sole reason the 2nd exists. If ever the government does something like warrantless trespassing, it's our civic duty to use our 2nd amendment rights to remind them we oppose tyranny. That said, never thought this would happen in our lifetimes. Worlds a changing.
There are very few people who would survive this tactic though.
Still seems like a stupid plan—2nd amendment or not (which is really not what the 2nd was about before courts made it anyway). At best you take one with you on the way out, if you’re ready when they break in. At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
At this point I’d still rather be detained than dead.
I'm well past that point. Especially with this fascist dictatorship. Being detained will likely get us tortured or thrown into a concentration camp. I'd rather die resisting these fuckers than die in some torture room.
I've never imagined I'd survive a fascist regime.
^ This, 100%
Some of us don’t have the luxury to keep our heads down and blend in when fascists want to target those who are “different.” That’s why I am outspoken about it - I can’t hide who I am, and even if I could, I’d refuse to live a lie.
I don’t have kids, I don’t have pets, the only person depending on my survival is me. If fascists come to take me, I’d rather go down and take them with me than go into the black hole (an entity from which nothing escapes) of a foreign prison/death camp.
To assume one will merely be “detained” and given due process in the United States is, sadly, a naïve take in 2025.
If everyone they illegally targeted managed to take one this problem would be quickly resolved
Any statement that begins with "If everyone one..." is going to be followed by something that would be great, but won't happen. As much as we may both 100% believe it should.
Thus far these bozos have demonstrated a pattern of showing up without uniforms, with masks on, refusing to identify themselves, show badges, or produce warrants.
This is needless to say an incredibly stupid thing for them to do, especially if they plan to also go around kicking in people's doors. I personally know an old man who got off the hook for shooting a state cop in my area who tried the same. I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal, because otherwise I think the state courts -- especially in blue areas -- are not going to treat any warrantless door-kicking by nonuniformed armed men who refuse to identify themselves very kindly.
Edit to add: You're also not protecting your "property" in such a case, you are protecting your person, which is a very different thing both legally and ethically. If the alternative is that you're going to be whisked away without due process to a death camp in El Salvador, your only rational course of action is to stand and fight -- especially in your own home.
Also, the person may go to jail, but dead is dead. The person shot will be gone, and may make others be more cautious, as hopelessly goulish as that thought is. I hope that things calm down and the rule of law returns before things escalate that far. I don't recognize the country right now.
Well, that's pretty much how the entire crime and punishment system is supposed to work. Do the crime, get got for it, others hoping to do the same thing will hopefully think twice before doing so in the future.
Therefore I think it's completely fair that this script gets flipped on the fascists who are pretending to be "law" enforcement.
I think the only hope the Dummkstaffel here has of making a charge stick against a homeowner who blows one of them away will be to somehow make it Federal
It would be federal, because it would be a federal agent getting shot. Any murder of a federal officer--including postal carriers--is a federal crime, in addition to being a state crime. OTOH, remember that a large number of federal judges are not friendly to Herr Fuhrer.
Well, the immigration official can sign the warrant themselves, so… still a warrant if I’m hearing right. But, a super fucked up warrant nonetheless.
Warrants from entities involved in enforcement aren't warrants for the 4th amendment.
Doesn’t seem like it really matters if the courts rule against it. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism, and no one seems to be willing to escalate.
Sounds like something an illegal alien would say..... /s
Remember when democrats got all heated about G Gordon Liddy saying “if the feds come to your door, shoot them in the head” (to account for body armor)?
I don’t know why that popped into my head just now.
Don't do that.
Shoot them in the dick.
Seriously.
The lower abdomen is chock full o' arteries, and a hit on the pelvis is going to instantly drop someone; you can't walk with a pelvis that's been shattered by a 9mm. It's also generally an easier target.
Buckshot to the belt buckle.
I like your ideas.
A fair point, and head shots are notoriously difficult. Low center mass will hurt like fuck even if the armor goes down that far.
BRB. Going to invest in Kevlar cod pieces.
They already exist. When you look at some of the overt armor that was/is used by the military--particularly the BALCS armors--the full kit will have shoulder/upper arm coverage, a high collar, and a flap that covers your lower abdomen. While these are mostly to protect against fragmentation, they should stop all handgun threats as well. Outside of GWOT and some SWAT teams, that kind of armor isn't common though, because it's bulky and very restrictive.
Oh, and a hit directly to the balls is gonna rupture a testicle anyway because of backface deformation. :)
Leg meta
https://youtube.com/shorts/XbYZhMMLHGo
This is both funny, and 100% accurate.
weird question, do i have to be black to join the black panthers
The Black Panthers arming themselves because of (I hope you're sitting down) police brutality is why assault weapons were first banned in California. Backed by Democrats, Republicans, and the NRA, and signed into law by Governor Ronald Reagan. I'm talking about The Mulford Act.
Just so you know how it's going to go.
You might be better off looking into something like the Socialist Riffle Association and if they have a chapter in your area. No idea how good they are but I'm in the DSA and some people mention them as an option.
I'm white and would also like to know. I assume it would be a decision made by the local group on a case by case basis.
You can buy a gun and practice. Start a club with your neighbors.
There are clubs for every group you can imagine. Find one and protect yourself.
Can't wait to hear people like Alex Jones defend this. Can't wait for every sovcit to defend this. Can't wait for every Gadsden flag flag and bumper sticker to defend this.
Where are the 2A advocates when you need them.
Right here.
Shoot 'em in the dick.
Even if they have full-coverage soft armor, and not just a plate carrier, that's gonna drop 'em instantly. Can't walk with a 9mm through your pelvis, and there are a lot or arteries going through there.
Also, I'm a certified basic pistol instructor; if any of y'all are looking for non-chuds to get some basic training from, look up the Liberal Gun Club, the Socialist Rifle Association (altho competency varies a lot from chapter to chapter), or Operation Blazing Sword.
Silently supporting this... After all the babies we sacrificed at school to keep their guns under threat of tyranny... Well it's freaking here and where are they? Oh being the disingenuous bags a shit they have always been
Right fucking here. Notice they're picking on people highly unlikely to fight back? Come for my brown, legal-migrant wife, see what happens.
You're going to get into a firefight with federal cops with your wife around? Genuinely asking what the "find out" part is
What’s the alternative? Stay silent and let her disappear to the El Salvador death camp? Take a few of them with you.
SRA, strapped at all times. Can’t do much with small numbers
My MIL went from being an anti-gun democrat to going with my partner and I for shooting lessons this weekend. It's never publicized, but if you keep your head up, you can see the winds change.
Edit, because I realized I was unclear: This administration woke her up to the dangers of disarming the workers. She's moved farther left.
Yeah I’m seeing people at the range becoming a lot more diverse and I’m really glad they’re getting the practice in and not just the firearm.
We're here.
Based on your instance, I'm going to have to assume you're Canadian and thus not informed on the minuta of state level politics and how they vary state to state. Some of the 2a people love going balls deep on authoritarian cock not all of us.
Something something illegal search and seizure blah blah blah, meaningless paper to the people who claim it to be the one all, be all document.
Shoot all trespassers.
In California remember you have Castle Doctrine. Protecting yourself, your home, and property from unwarranted unannounced invasions from ANYONE allows you to use deadly force if available
...Except cops. You do not have a legal right to resist illegal actions by police. The ONLY state where that's a legal right is Indiana. Look, I get it, you should have that right everywhere, but if you shoot a cop that's illegally breaking into your home, you will be arrested, charged, and convicted, IF you survive. And you probably won't.
Should you shoot them anyways? Absolutely. Just understand what the result will be.
What makes a cop a cop? Could we establish a new town, which would of course have its own police department, and everyone in that town is part of the department.
Yes, it's a bit of a facetious question. But we are entering very stupid times.
This article implies that you wouldn't be breaking the law if you shot a cop entering your home unannounced and without a warrant:
https://campbelllawobserver.com/cops-not-robbers-the-clash-between-no-knock-warrants-and-the-castle-doctrine/
It also says that the cops are allowed to kill you, so having followed the law and being innocent will be small comfort.
Well shit too bad Indiana hates my kind
I know, right? It's the broken clock that's so broken that it's only gotten the time right once.
Wait. CA allows the Castle Doctrine?
A quick search shows it does. I'll be damned.
I'll be damned as well.
Worth noting for any Californians that it u-turns if the person stops being a threat. If you threaten and they run away, you're now in the wrong if you shoot.
If you pull out a firearm you better fucking use it not threaten with it. because life and death is when it comes out not before.
In some states you have a duty to retreat as well. Something to consider.
I thought the whole point of Castle Doctrine is that you don't have to retreat because your home is the place of last retreat?
That's true pretty much everywhere. Shooting someone in the back will almost always get you charged, unless you're a cop.
Generally speaking--and I'm not a lawyer, I'm not your lawyer, and you should ask a criminal defense attorney in your state for specifics--you can use force, including lethal force, to protect your life if you have reasonable fear for your life or safety. Generally speaking, if someone is running away from you, they're no longer a direct threat, and therefore you can't use force. Similarly, if you are in a reasonable fear for your life, and you shoot someone, you can not kick them while they're bleeding on the ground.
I believe all states have some form of Castle Doctrine. Some states have a duty to retreat if you aren't in your home/car, e.g., you have to attempt to escape first. Some states require you to use proportionate force; if they have a baseball bat, you may not be allowed to use a firearm. Know the laws specific to your state.
That's all fair enough. I've seen it listed as a gotcha on some very pro-gun sites for the specific case of a thief who's taken something, jewelery for example, and is now running away. You can't take the offensive to get it back. (At least not with your gun. I expect trackling them to the ground would be fine?)
That gets much, much more state specific. I can tell you that a lot of stores with loss-prevention officers aren't keen on having them tackle shoplifters, since that can result in massive losses from lawsuits.
Wait...that's not true everywhere?
Guess I need to move to CA.
a “reasonable belief” that someone might be part of a Venezuelan gang is enough.
Considering they've actively deported someone for having a tattoo that supports autism awareness as evidence of being a Venezuelan gang member, the fact I had a burrito for lunch today is probably an equally "reasonable belief" for them.
This is an alarming suspension of all of the protections of the Constitution if this is allowed to stand.
I have a temporary tattoo, one of the plant ink ones that last for up to 2 weeks. It's a derpy black cat. Probably a Venezuelan gang symbol.
Probably a terrible idea ... but ... someone/people should hand out temporary MS13 tattoos at protests. Organize it so everyone can get one.
Straight to CECOT with you! /s
Hey, this guy had a burrito, let's get him! Also, we may as well pick up his family at the same time, and his neighbors if they make a fuss!
Don't forget to shoot my dog before you leave. /s
It's really the most humane solution since you'd all be unavailable to feed it.
"According to the memo, agents can break into a home if getting a warrant is “impracticable,” and they don’t need a judge’s approval."
They're going to have a fun time here in Oregon:
https://oregon.public.law/statutes/ors_161.219
"a person is not justified in using deadly physical force upon another person unless the person reasonably believes that the other person is:
(1) Committing or attempting to commit a felony involving the use or threatened imminent use of physical force against a person; or
(2) Committing or attempting to commit a burglary in a dwelling; or
(3) Using or about to use unlawful deadly physical force against a person. [1971 c.743 §23]"
They really haven’t thought this out long-term. The Panthers knew a thing or two about gun rights and the right to self-defense. These Nazi policies are endangering the state’s monopoly on violence.
Fellow Oregonian here and i love that you posted this!! Thank you!
Thanks. I have two guns in my home and will be keeping them close by and loaded.
No kids, just in case anyone was worried.
“Fuck your rights.” - the party who claims to love the constitution
MA~~G~~NA Make America Nazi again
The memo and policy are not meant to survive Constitutional challenge. It facially and clearly violates it:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
No, this is meant to give the veneer of an arguably defensible policy, a temporary measure. And why would that be enough? Well, one possibility is that after a period of time it will not to matter anymore.
When wouldn't it matter anymore? Oh, say - just throwing this out there - if it ties the issue up in courts long enough for Trump to secure permanent dictatorial power after harassing or disappearing political opponents and judges.
Things are getting to a terrifying level.. 😭
Land of the free.
Home of the Depraved
Gestapo did it first.
Oh well. The not-at-all-obscure law I'm using states they better use hearing protection. Gunshots is loud.
Yeah uhm the word "migrants" is written on a removable label ... fill in whichever citizen category you want to drag out of their houses...
You don't fill in labels, you're sorting punch cards.
The normal world should really expel Americans. If you're an American national outside of America you should either leave or seek asylum. Which you should only get if you didn't collaborate with any past or current genocidal regime.
No visa whatsoever
Hitler actually changed the constitution to get his fascism off the ground, in this case the courts are apparently useless, so they don’t even have do that!
I FULLY Support this! If the Founders KNEW what the Future held they WOULDNT have written the Constitution the Way they Had!
-Pro Life Americans who FERVENTLY Defend School Shooters after they MURDER a School full of 6 Year Olds because the Founders could NEVER be Wrong!
That’s going to go really well for everyone in a country with so many people packing heat all the time
Pop Pop
Weird place to reference Magnitude from Community but okay.
On the path to Hitlerism just an excuse so they can disappear anyone against the facist party
I mean, they can enter…
Send bachelors.
They absolutely can’t.
🔫
Lol, lmao
Nope
I'm scared of migrants hiding in my closet and under my bed please protect me ICE.
Enjoy your freedumb America. You voted for this insanity. Fucking morons.
Have you noticed how all the people that were so uppity about not voting for Harris have now largely fallen silent? And how the genocide of Palestinians has largely continued unabated? Because I sure have.
