We're RIGHT HERE :(
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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."
Turns out normalizing mass surveillance makes people not care about being spied on
I don't want TikTokers on the Fediverse, thankyouverymuch.
you can defederate with groups but gatekeeping the entire fediverse feels wrong
So be it. Tiktok is one big slop pool of content. The fediverse doesnt have to be. Tiktok needs to be. I'm okay with advocating for that separation, sorry.
We've been here the whole time
I do! Their opinions affect us; the fediverse reduces a social problem.
This anti-China sentiment is just dumb our politicians are just holding everything back, when we should be working with China for the betterment of the planet. They've always been responsible for making technology accessible, and every day.
What should we expect from people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.
If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.
Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.
Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.
A site goes to shit when everyone and their grandma hops on it. At the risk of sounding elitist, I would prefer to a part of the userbase that hasn't been Eternal Septembered into the lowest common denominator.
All right then, keep your secrets. But then let's promote a normie instance to Grandma so she doesn't get brainwashed.
The internet use to be about discovery, not convinience. The reason big companies like TikTok can exploit people so well is because the barrier of entry is so low and people would rather get their content quick than to have any involvement in how it works. When someone creates a federated community or a server, it's not plug and play. Work goes into that, so yeah, if you want simplicity, stay on X and Facebook and Insta. If you want control and more clarity about how these protocols work, welcome.
You get it. Well said.
I agree that promoting the fediverse generally kind of doesn't make sense. People join communities, not web protocols.
I wonder if we shouldn't talk so much about "the fediverse" as we do about individual instances, because that's what people actually join. They get the rest of the fediverse for free, but their home server will always be home. Just like with reddit back in the day, how I may not have identified much with the reddit overculture, I did love some of its communities.
Like look at the difference between the slrpnk communities, and the programming.dev communities. That's something to be celebrated, like, come join this server - look at all the cool things we're doing!
instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances.
I've seriously thought about starting up a website to do exactly this. The problem is I already have a mile long project list. Oh and I suck at UX lmao, backend and hosting/infrastructure stuffs that's my jam. Putting together a nice UX with a good flow and then successfully promoting it....
Pixelfed’s app release seems like a good start.
That would just turn the fediverse into tiktok/facebook/whatever. The whole point is that you have to engage intentionally here, which prevents you from being served things that other people/countries/companies want you to see.
Its not hard to join here, but its not going to serve up the same experience so people leave. People also follow others, so there aren't many people on those other platforms suggesting people join them in the fediverse.
I dont understand why anyone cares if the next big social media exodus off-ramp is to the fediverse or not. A huge influx of people that dont like this style of content and how its served to them isn't going to make this better for those who do.
This is ridiculous gatekeeping.
The point of the fediverse is to get decentralized platforms not in the hands of corporate or government interests.
If you want a cliquey, niche space, then stay on an instance focused for that.
I never said they shouldnt come here, I said I dont understand people here wanting them to come. Most of us left those spaces for multiple reasons, one of them being the userbase.
I want those who like what we have here to want to come here, I dont want a bunch of pissed off tiktok refugees who will come in and demand we cater to their increasingly fleeting whims, slowly turning this platform into tiktok or facebook or whatever.
Its okay for communities to not fit every single demographic, and like another person stated, there are many lemmy instances all with their own appeal.
The fediverse allows us to do both. Some instances will go one way, others will go the other. Each can have what they want. And both can communicate if they do wish.
I don't really understand this seeing as you're commenting this on a post from your own instance. Therefore, in an ironic sort of way, it seems like people within your own instance are against the fleeting whims of mainstream platforms as well. So, I agree with your counterpart: you are not owed a lower barrier of entry if the entire idea of companies not manipulating your algorithms and selling your data is for it to be community-driven effort. And so, it is not a lot to ask people to learn how things work so they may be able to service themselves, or even past that knowlegde forward.
No matter how you slice it, decentralized networks require a lot of work and maybe, the people who put their computers and hardware out there to make it possible just want people in that circle to appreciate the work put into it. Not hop on their instance because it's quote, "easy".
Like, the idea of the internet having been more fun years prior was because it was experimental and community-driven. You will need to sacrifice simplicity and functionality for that. And if you don't care about that, well, use Reddit, Discord, or any other service that's easier than this.
"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."
Yes, as there is nothing China can do to me.
At least not until they use their influence operations to elect a pro-China president.
...every president until 2016 was pro China, because the owners of the US government were pro China until China improved too much and started competing instead of just being a source of cheap labor.
And who cares if a pro China president is elected? Oh no we'll have cheap food, universal healthcare and no homelessness. How awful.
Yeah but why would we be more concerned about Chinese competition than say, the EU? Because China showed who they are in Hong Kong, and we want that to be as un-powerful as possible.
Because China has a higher gdp than the entire EU combined?
Also yes, they didn't allow a state to be independent, just like the US would send the FBI after Texas if they declared independence, what's your point?
There was a time when the US was as colonialist as China, but in the 20th century it let the Philippines go, and passed on turning Germany and Japan into colonies, and let the Panama Canal go back to Panama. There's an analogy to Hong Kong in there somewhere, or with North Korea which remains a totalitarian puppet of China to this day.
The US is far from perfect, but they're not China. Not even close.
passed on turning Germany and Japan into colonies
I occasionally see job ads in the UK that require US citizenship.
...even if you consider Hong Kong, Tibet, and Taipei colonies instead of autonomous religions analogous to states, the US has literally more than a dozen territories. The US is the master of colonialism, to this day it still holds the most extra territorial colonies.
You can't put videos on pixelfed, right? That unfortunately means it's not a competitive platform. Video is what people seem to want.
You can. Your instance just needs to up the max size or turn it on.
Example from someone who only has one video as the sample content. https://pixelfed.social/p/Sarahschannel/785335877987047968
I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.
Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.
Okay, well I have impulses to go and get drunk, do hard drugs, and attempt to sleep with random women. None of those things are close to a good idea for me.
Just because you feel drawn to something or a type of thing does not make it healthy or a good idea for that person. Taking desires and expressing them in a healthy way is important, desires dont just disappear.
It's fascinating how Lemmy users view internet consumption habits as a reflection of personal ethics. You can't always hold other people to the standards you've achieved. Using and navigating Lemmy takes effort insight that the majority just don't have. Being alive also takes effort and can be very painful. Sometimes people just need to be able to turn off and zone out. Try not to place value judgements on the ways that other people do that.
I think you're hung up on how Big Tech has designed feeds with the express purpose of keeping you there for as long as possible, or even more perversely, as enraged as possible.
But algorithms can be made to serve other purposes, and I think the fediverse could do with a curation algorithm. Or even better, multiple choices for algorithms to suit your preferences and needs. From what I've heard, Bluesky offers something along those lines, which has contributed to its adoption rates.
I think if Lemmy devs wanted, they could probably come up with some great starter options. Heck, maybe they make it easier for everyone to customize their own algorithms. Not sure how far you get without knowing how to code that sort of thing directly, but even a little would go a long way, I bet.
Some people's aversion of algorithms on the fediverse kind of reminds me of people's aversion of GMO food. Genetically modifying rice to contain more vitamin D is probably good; genetically modifying vegetables to contain more cyanide would probably be bad. Algorithms don't have to be built to maximize "engagement;" they can be designed to maximize other metrics, or balance multiple metrics, or be user-customizable.
IMO, Mastadon is much worse off for their refusal to implement any kind of algorithm outside their "explore" feed. When I tried using Mastodon, search was unhelpfully in chronological order, and my home feed just got overtaken by the people that post the most. In contrast, Lemmy's handling of algorithms is pretty good, imo.
As bad as search engines are now, they'd be even worse if they just gave you results in chronological order.
Its not even the algorithm I dont like, I'm sure I could manipulate it to how I want if I put the effort in, its the bite sized videos and even shorter comments, often single words or phrases. I can't move on from thing to thing that quickly. The fediverse suits the pace at which I like to consume information and allows me time to think on it, and more importantly, interact with opposing views in meaningful ways.
Somewhere deep in the CCP...
Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"
Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."
"They love to virtue signal apparently, not sure how that helps us takeover their country though."
" . . . giving Rednote access to their data as a show of protest . . ."
That's a special kind of stupid.
Lemmy is great but it does not hit the spot for a large-scale consumer social network because that's just not the philosophy (It also lacks the unified identity because of its greatest feature: federation)
People are not searching for an aggregator of small forums of friendly tech people, they want to be part of the next big thing.
If you work on apps as a front-end, you probably understand that Lemmy requires too much hassle to get started with UX-wise.
It's engineered for a niche, and it's perfect to me but obscure for the majority of people who were trained to use the same UX for years and years.
No algorithm, no feeling of fame, rarely drama, content takes some time to be updated. Those are features to me but hindrance for large-scale adoption I believe.
Reddit got quite successfull over the years.
I think the potential audience for lemmy is huge, just that people havent gotten the same marketing hype/trend like you pointed out.
Reddit userbase absolutely skyrocketed when Obama (then president) did an AMA. The site was never quite the same after that
I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise
Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.
Xitter* (x pronounced sh style)
yes, we've all seen this tired meme
others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
Yes. Why? Because pettiness
We are using it mainly as a massive middle finger to the US government
Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:
I know. I'm here and I don't even know what they're talking about, much less my friends. I suppose it's Loop? But a quick search in app store brings up nothing
I dunno about iPhone but for Android the loops app isn't on the app store yet because the whole thing is still in dev. Once you get your invite email there's a link on the site to download the APK for the app.
As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)
Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute
I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination
Sure, but people cannot cry about a service disappearing when disappearing resistant technology exists and just needs attention. Like, it's being worked on, either help or get out of the way and quit complaining
idk, pixelfed is doing great.
Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were "Devil's on this earth for killing babies" which like...damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren't beating the allegations.
So I'm sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn't worry.
Platforms that work and are easy to use*
I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.
Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.
Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.
A big barrier is the UI, the default lemmy UI is terrible.
The apps aren't great either, I'm very techy and haven't found one feels as nice as reddit (and the reddit app has many issues)
Normies just aren't going to push past all those barriers
Lemmy website is decent for me on mobile and PC alike, what are your complaints?
What mobile app do you use?
I've tried a few, none of them are great for various reasons. My favourite is Sync The up-vote buttons are hidden on comments. Very annoying
The default website is terrible, it looks like the social media app I built in highschool for a project. You have to click into every post to see it properly.
I use photon.lemmy.world but non tech people will give up long before finding it.
And when I introduce people to Lemmy and send them that link, some literally think it's a virus link, it looks dodgy
I think it's probably marketing more than convenience
I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don't think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don't think it's really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?
It's marketing, but it's also the value proposition. Average Joes don't see the value in decentralization, privacy, or the freedom from corporate control. Although that may change under an authoritarian regime....
show me a federated system that has a bunch of cool tiktoky videos….
afaik, it’s mostly text and that much data would be a huge problem
cool
tiktok
pick one
Loops by Pixelfed
IMO it is DOA because the whole point of TikTok is the feed algorithm. You're not supposed to pick what to watch, the algorithm knows your interests. The idea of TikTok therefore is fundamentally unethical and any libre alternatives will be hindered by the fact that users want the unethical part which no developer should or wants to implement.
Sounds like they're actually rolling out a for you feed in the near future
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical.
In practice, of course it is insanely unethical as the algorithms are designed to maximize view time which leads to algorithmic radicalization and hate spreading more quickly, but the concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.
concept of an algorithm knowing and learning what you like and selecting for you itself isn’t unethical.
Unless you host it yourself, you have practically given away your soul to an instance operator
It’s expensive for video though.
In other words, I have a hard time seeing Pixelfed with a high quality "benign" TikTok algorithm. It’s already possible for music, but video data\analysis is just so voluminous that, without the profitable exploitation backing it, I don't see how they'd pay for it.
I don’t see why the concept should be unethical
It’s like engineering drugs specifically targeting reward systems of the brain associated with human emotional development and socialization.
Edit: more explicit
I'm sorry, say that again?
Besides the fact that it’s quite difficult to do this non-invasively, giving anyone instant access to any amount of exactly what they want most is ~~dangerous~~ (Edit: likely irresponsible, potentially dangerous, like designing escapist drugs, fine line between helping and hurting, and you must consider both).
Definitely find lack of care on the part of fellow computer scientists irresponsible. I’ve rejected grant followups for thinly veiled weapons research for the same reason; i.e., potential misuse.
I get it now
Where were people's protests & complaints when the US government were first proposing the ban?
Everyone assumed that they wouldn't be so stupid as to ban an app used by 170,000,000 Americans.
Now they've proven that yes they are that stupid. That corrupt.
So nah. Not going back to any US based alternative. Ever. TT to Red Book. If they ban Red Book we'll go to VK or Jaco or whatever Vietnam has going on.
Best part? It took all of about 2 hours to completely obliterate 60 years of CIA propaganda. We can see plain how much better they have it than we do. How much better life is there.
Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.
Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public
This is it. A strong public domain benefits everyone. It is why open source software works.
AFAIU Lemmy sends your username, a user ID, and URI along with your message. That's pretty innocuous.
It's way less innocuous than you think.
But yeah, it's only the stuff that you'd expect it to send. And only the stuff it needs to send. But the thing is, the valuable data those social networks gather is almost exactly that. They will invade your privacy and get everything they can, but the real value is on that and what you read. (What you read isn't shared here.)
On that note, I’d be shocked if one or more of the alphabet agencies haven’t developed a half-duplex version of the fediverse platforms purely for surveillance purposes. The openness of the ecosystem is really nice, but the default promiscuity of the protocols in question does have some specific and notable drawbacks.
Content sure, but not where you are when you posted it and other meta data
You forgot .ml
They want a platform that isn’t controlled by oligarchs yet they go to a platform that is controlled by the CCP, interesting
I mean the CCP isn't an oligarchy; it's an old school dictatorship.
You have been site-banned from .ml
In addition, every hour, on the hour, a jackbooted wannabe PLA soldier that looks remarkably like they could be any random 15 year-old kid from Cleveland will be at your door to read- and mispronounce several paragraphs of The Communist Manifesto.
Ptime example:
FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days
Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats
edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Not the first on the app store, unfortunately...
I understand people arguing that a lot of advocacy work is on tiktok, hence it is important; but I really wish good people can advocate on good platforms, instead of monopolistic data-hungry tech oligarchs.
TikTok doesn't want the data of the average person becaue they aren't valuable in any way.
TikTok is being blocked because they can manipulate their algorithm to feed influencers to them that push pro-Chinese stances.
Imagine a hypothetical hot war between the US and China where China is telling a significant number of the US population what to think. I specifically say it that way becaue I don't believe any US company has a significant user base is China.
What pro Chinese stances?
I feel like I already answered that in the last paragraph.
It's litterally anything that whitewashes anything the CCP does. Maybe it's justification for island building in the South China Sea, framing international right of way passages through the same body of water as border incursions, trying to reduce support for weapon sales to Taiwain, or trying to reduce allied responses to an invasion of Taiwan. It could also just be spreading general unrest.
Literally never seen any of that on TikTok. Just Americans doing their thing. In fact, you can actually look up content on TikTok that shows, describes and condemns the atrocities at tiananmen square, and their awful behavior towards Taiwan. And any number of things that shows the chinese government as a bad player. If they were in control, you'd think that sort of thing wouldn't even be available.
And because of the potential blackmail stuff I suppose
They’d be right at home at .ml
Not everyone who is willing to use redbook is interested in the authoritarian gatekeeping done in the outrage farm known as lemmy.ml
You might be surprised to learn that there are plenty of leftists who aren't interested in marxist-lenninism at all
Sir we're all outrage farmers, it's why we (mostly) left Reddit.
The weird obsessions you and some users have for certain instances that you can block is truly mind boggling
Edit: lmao considering OP went to trouble of making a whole gif to celebrate being banned from .ml, I’d say they also fall into the category of "user being obsessed with another instance". A very mature and normal thing to do!
Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand, what about new users who don't know any better? Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.
Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand,
And so is trying to get anyone who disagrees with you to shut up.
Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand
I already wrote my thoughts here about this, so I'm not going to re write everything.
I am very much aware about those instances.
What it actually shows, is that neither of you have taken the time to understand why those instances are hated. You're just following the trend without knowing why
what about new users who don't know any better?
What about them? They can find out just like any other users have. Hopefully, those new users might do more research on them than you
Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.
It's exactly as bad of a look as any other instance in here. There are trolls everywhere, and you pretending that they're only there is an outstanding simplification.
You think there aren't any bigots on .world? What would those poor new users think of .world when they see a racist bigot?
Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You're the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml
Most of their positions isn't "The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued" which is something I have no issues with
Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they've even been known to be on favor of NK.
And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you're probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.
That is why they are so hated
Edit:
Look at this, not even 20 minutes ago, "JiveTurkey" banned for "bigotry"
how do you get this overview for the bans?
[instance]/modlog
For you it would be lemmy.sdf.org/modlog
Though you can go to any instance modlog to see modlog from any other instance as long as the instances modlog your viewing is federated with the other instance.
For example lemmy.world/modlog does not show hexbear entries because .world is defed'd from hexbear but sdf's modlog will show hexbear entries
I see, thanks
Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You're the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml
Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don't understand that instance....suuure.
Also, trying to use tankies as an offensive term, immediately shows your true colors and how much you "really had an open mind". You didn't and you don't have an open mind.
Most of their positions isn't "The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued" which is something I have no issues with
It actually is.
Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they've even been known to be on favor of NK.
All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn't mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?
The examples you provided further show that you didn't really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let's be honest - we're not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.
And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you're probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.
I've never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I've always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn't changed.
But certainly I didn't go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they're all just a bunch of insane users who don't understand as much as you do.
That is why they are so hated
It's not. It's because it's easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.
Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a "gotcha" question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry "see? Authoritarian tankies!!" When they get banned for it.
Full honesty here: I too cried like that at first. But it's precisely because I behaved in a similar way to what I just described. And that is not open mindedness
Edit: to reply to your screenshot: That comment is using a lot of common stereotypes. You think "western" platforms are not censored? Try making a positive post about Palestine on Reddit or on Instagram. I dare you.
it's easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.
absolutely this ive never felt more seen because it really is so much easier that way and people hate on me for it
I too cried like that at first.
You're really throwing out every dishonest rhetorical tactic in the book. Reading this exchange is disgusting.
Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don't understand that instance....suuure.
Oh I did, you mostly just regurgitated the same points. Also, I don't know why you keep going on and on about having a .ml alt. .ml is in fact federated with .world and .ee (unfortunately) so you don't need an alt to engage with them. If you're saying that you have a .ml alt so you get "treated better" over there then that's a whole problem on its own.
All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn't mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?
The examples you provided further show that you didn't really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let's be honest - we're not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.
"Some" like the fact that the admins and mods are the ones who are on the more extreme end? I don't deny that .ml has "normal" users, however, it's quite clear what kind of culture the admins and mods are trying to cultivate.
Nutomic btw is the head dev and main admin of .ml. but there's no transphobia over there huh?
I've never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I've always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn't changed.
But certainly I didn't go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they're all just a bunch of insane users who don't understand as much as you do.
Ofc not, you're fitting in quite nicely with the "culture"
I'm waisting my time. You keep ignoring my replies and bringing up new unrelated topics to avoid giving actual answers.
Have it your way. Goodbye
Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a “gotcha” question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry “see? Authoritarian tankies!!” When they get banned for it.
hahaha this one is for real tho lol
"DAE commermism 100 million people? omg!"
Whu, are you really criticizing op for spending time to make content???
Cirklejerking is nothing new. Dissing on the big heavily moderated instances is just a part of lemmy culture as I understand it. And its not like people on those big instances arent cirkejerking against the haters also.
Here is a mirror. Why are you making a fuss about it? You yourself are free to block any of us if that is your preferred solution.
I am not gonna block them, I am even subscribed to some spaces on .ml .Majority of the users are no different then elsewhere. But i do take the underlying warning seriously and try to pay extra attention to subtle propaganda (which exists on every instance). Encourage people to sign up to smaller less restrictive instances.
I have read your explanation comment btw, and i am gonna be honest it makes no sense in the context of myself. The reason I personally cant relate with tankies is not because they are too left for my comfort but the exact opposite. Compared to my own anarchist ideals tankies lack qualities i deem important and exhibit propertied i recognize as fascist in nature.
If you are now thinking my opinion on what counts as fascist isnt worth any salt to you then you are close to understanding my point. We are still both a part of this community regardless of both our valuable opinions and while yours frustrates me a bit, i hold no ill will against you.
I think individual instance blocking is not as good as defederating.
However, even with my instance defederating ml, hexbear, and grad, I can still see ml lovers who moved to other instances, which is slightly disappointing.
However, even with my instance defederating ml, hexbear, and grad, I can still see people like you, which is slightly disappointing
Not as disappointing as seeing you contributing nothing to the conversation. You just replied to be mean and leave a snarky reply even though I've never interacted with you before.
But tell me more about how those other users are trolls...
So they are stupid.
I like your welcoming attitude! /s
Truth hurts some but eases others irritation.
"This is why Trump won!!11!"
Cause people are idiots? Yeah, I think so.
I do find it kinda funny that that the US gov. Was using "CCP propaganda" as an excuse to ban a platform of expression, and now many of those users have begun using an app that actually has a history of defending the CCP
People so stupid
Personally I just like the fuck you energy behind it all.
Is Loops out yet?
very beta rn, but its no worse than TikTok functionally and doesn't have any Chinese spyware
How is Loops no worse than TikTok functionally? People love TikTok for its feed algorithm. Loops doesn't have that and it's barely functional at all at this point.
and TikTok forced so much uninteresting content and ads that you got to a good video just as fast, and features beyond the videos are irrelevant.
I'm not a TikTok user, but that's like the opposite of what I've heard from my friends who use it.
It is dogshit compared to tiktok in the only functionality that matters - algorithmic matching of content to user.
Yeah ok it can stream a video cool. That's not worth a can of beans in 2025 - can it give you content that you want to see when you want to see it?
The answer is a resounding no right now. Until it's consistently serving up top notch pairings of content to user interest it wont stand a chance in the mainstream.
Tldr take your stupid smelly nerd code and feed me cats and people getting jump scared.
TikTok's algorithm was terrible, you find good videos just as fast on loops.
But what about Canadian spyware? 🤔
We will let them pay 25% tariff, so it is all good.
That's…honestly a fair point; a good chunk of why I never bothered with TikTok is it has some of the worst UX I've ever experienced in my life.
You clearly haven't tried Instagram Reels then
I have a loops account but I have not been able to upload a video in over a month, it fails on every single attempt.
I found that any video I try to upload longer than about 17 seconds fails while anything shorter works.
Yea, but it's very early. Backend seems pretty solid, but the client app...leaves a lot to be desired lol
Not on App Store just beta for iPhone only
Be careful what you wish for.
I mean apples to oranges, this isn't really anything like tiktok, we don't share shorts here we create and post on each other's posts
That's the fediverse in general on the bottom, not Lemmy.
I mean still, Do you know of any well established fediverse based shorts sharing platforms out there? So far I think we only have reddit and twitter
I guess but aren't people saying that's basically still in alpha?
Yeah it definitely is, sign ups are still limited at the moment, I had to wait several days to get a confirmation email. The iOS app is only in beta at the moment so can only be downloaded from TestFlight. The main for you page currently seems to be just a chronological list of what people have uploaded so it’s hard to discover any content older than a day.
That being said none of those are really complaints, I went in knowing its not feature complete yet and I’m excited to see where it goes. I never used TikTok so I wasn’t looking for a replacement (and I’m in the UK so it’s not getting banned anyway)
Honestly I didn't use tiktok that much but rednote is surprisingly different, it's less blast short form videos in users face and more a mix of Facebook with short form video focus, honestly, you should check it out, only for the reason that I think this may actually be one of the biggest unofficial cultural exchanges in history, and it's amazing to see the love going around between cultural barriers
Do I need to buy a billboard to advertise the concept of not being a complete dipshit
I don't even .... Just odd.
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We live in a society…….
The tiktok ban was never about China. It was about killing off a dissent medium.
